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It's annoying how, when you tay loans, 10% of this as well goes to war reparations, which in turn makes you loose 10% of the loan amount next round, thus giving a large deficit, which in turn can provoke a new loan, and vice verca.

Short story: please just tie War reperations to tax, production and trade income.
 
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I would love to know who disagreed with this.
 
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I would love to know who disagreed with this.

Last I checked, it's actually still possible to see who disagrees and agrees with you, but I don't think it's an intended forum feature any longer.

I don't bother checking. If people want to disagree and hide behind anonymous irrationality, they're not worth my effort to engage and they're probably not worth yours either :).
 
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Lol. This is actually on of my favorite exploits.
Whenever the AI is in a war i will deck in, do a stack wipe, get some quick warscore and peace for war reps and a few ducats. Then I sit back as the AI fights to the bitter end against the other AI, taking loan after loan and me getting a juicy cut of that loan.

It's one of the few exploits I enjoy because it doesn't really kill the immersion for me like other crazy exploits do.
 
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Why is It as always "respectively disagree"?

Sometimes I just want to disagree because I don't respect the posters viewpoint or opinion.

Like if someone states "I think stalin was a great guy" ....i do nit respect that.
 
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Why is It as always "respectively disagree"?

Sometimes I just want to disagree because I don't respect the posters viewpoint or opinion.

Like if someone states "I think stalin was a great guy" ....i do nit respect that.

I agree. They could've at least made us 'Respectfully Agree' so it wasn't so obvious that they(whoever runs this forum) have surrendered to a few rather immature internet users that could not comprehend or accept that others just did not see things the way they themselves did. People who see a difference of opinion as a grave insult to their person which of course is absurd.
 
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How?

I for one find this change towards obscurity of opinions undesirable.
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Why is It as always "respectively disagree"?

Sometimes I just want to disagree because I don't respect the posters viewpoint or opinion.

Like if someone states "I think stalin was a great guy" ....i do nit respect that.
It's a (futile) attempt to promote civility on the forums, so sheltered babbies don't get as overly butthurt by all the DISAGREE rejection bombs.

I agree. They could've at least made us 'Respectfully Agree' so it wasn't so obvious that they(whoever runs this forum) have surrendered to a few rather immature internet users that could not comprehend or accept that others just did not see things the way they themselves did. People who see a difference of opinion as a grave insult to their person which of course is absurd.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't have to be "respectfully" anything.
 
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Thank you. But i already know of how to view my own ratings i just interpreted(most likely misreading it) TheMeInTeams post as if you could actually see who disagreed to others posts like you could previously since this was what grommile was wanting to do.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't have to be "respectfully" anything.

Of course not. It seems you completely misread my post. I just stated that the change would be sligthly less bad had it been homogeneous in implementation not that the change as a whole would have been 'made right'.
 
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I would love to know who disagreed with this.
Probably those who like to gain the extra money every time AI takes a loan ;-) but makes war rep against Tim way to easy... Dislike it really, also because in no economical theory is loans considered income. Yes they lower your income due to interests, but since war rep should apply to income, this doesn´t really matter if they "lose" money on interests, expenses are applied after income and thus will only hurt the loaner, not the war rep reciever.

I agree. They could've at least made us 'Respectfully Agree' so it wasn't so obvious that they(whoever runs this forum) have surrendered to a few rather immature internet users that could not comprehend or accept that others just did not see things the way they themselves did. People who see a difference of opinion as a grave insult to their person which of course is absurd.
It's a (futile) attempt to promote civility on the forums, so sheltered babbies don't get as overly butthurt by all the DISAGREE rejection bombs.
Or because some didn´t understand the disagree button or used it wrong. Like flaming on those who disagreed because they did so without adding to the discussion. While I do dislike the ease of simply disagreeing without actually discussing and bringing constructive criticism, I also disagree with people simply disagreeing. This of course only in cases where the arguments are required, like when questioning the poster and discussion ups and downs, with arguments. Then it´s simply too easy to hit disagree instead of addressing the issue.

The button should remain however, since many times it´s only that... Disagreeing on the view for some reasons and it´s not always something that needs further discussing :)

Do remember a short time before this "improvement", a guy flaming on one of the dev guys for using the disagree button, the post was not really valid for much discussion and could simply be answered by a disagree, yet he flamed and called out the dev in a rant, which the devs only answer were "I use it since I don´t like your idea/view and express it by disagreeing with it". So mihgt also have something to do with those users flaming like that and only worsens the community tone and it´s ability to simply, disagree with you.
 
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It seems to me an oversight, that's all. Also ratings aren't worth anyone attention, no? They just mean something when you can collect a lot of votes, but the few cases of disagreement/agreement? I approximate them to 0 :D
 
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Short story: please just tie War reperations to tax, production and trade income.
Do you think other forms or non-loan income should or should not also be exempt? E.g. events, vassal income, looting.

BTW, does anyone know if you pay reparations on income from reparations? If you do I wonder if the game would crash if you got a cycle of A pays B pays C pays A. Edit: nevermind, reparations are paid a month later? No crash, but you could get "compound-interest" type growth.
 
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Do you think other forms or non-loan income should or should not also be exempt? E.g. events, vassal income, looting.
As long as it´s income, it should... Like the event for harvest succes or something, it applies as income in term, not sure if it´s in the ledger though.

Loot and vassals and I believe some events and their modifiers, like spice control mission, are all shown in the economy slide. I don´t believe loans when taken are shown here, they only show under expenses due to interest.

So what they should do, is not have it rely on every type of money going in, but basically take the number in the bottom of "income", which has war rep from other, pirateering and looting, vassal income and special modifiers. This means the war rep would be taken before any expenses and preventing loans from being equal to income, which it isn´t since it only makes expenses higher and due to inflation and interest really isn´t a great solution to get money fast and avoid war rep. Also since the war rep would be calculated due to income before expenses, the higher expense due to loans would have no effect, the interests would then only hurt the taker, since he would have a smaller amount to spent during the loan.

So affecting any expenses, would only hurt target nation, the war rep will stay the same unless the income changes.
 
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So %10 of loan taken goes for War Reperation. I learned a new thing. :)

You never noticed that you all of sudden gained a massive income boost for one month, and couldn´t understand why ;-)
 
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Do you think other forms or non-loan income should or should not also be exempt? E.g. events, vassal income, looting.
Vassal income should also be tied to this, and events I believe. Especially since certain events are akin to "Income Bonanza!", which, well, is income.

Looting on the other hand is hard, as I'm not sure it reflects soldiers, etc. looting for their own profit, which somehow gets turned into wealth for your nation, or if the looting is organized governmental looting. It's anyways difficult for the nation imposing reparations to manage to tax this irregular income from looting, so it could possibly be exempt.
 
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You never noticed that you all of sudden gained a massive income boost for one month, and couldn´t understand why ;-)
Actually i am not demanding War Reperation generally, just from enemy's allies that i cannot core. With %10 ws i prefer province rather than gold :)
 
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