Please STOP drastic gameplay changes

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I have played nearly all paradox titles and actually bought quite a lot too, one thing that remains consistent with these titles are the huge gameplay changes that takes place after every patch.. I find it takes me days to learn how to properly master how the game works only to find a new patch came out, which totally altered the game.
The worst one I have seen so far was the eu2? badboy fix, that didn't make it completely dissapear after peace but made it gradually dissapear over many years. In my opinion that ruined the game, it just made it boring dealing with revolts every month.
The problem with hoi games is thatthe benefit of conquering land is reduced to pathetic amounts, I noticed that the IC for non national (but owned) territory is 0.2 - 0.3333 what does that mean? I only get 20 - 33 % of the ic from non national provinces.. that really is quite ridiculous, I can't see factories operating at such a pittance.
the fanboys of hoi2 that post their suggestions always seem to get what they want, and the game just suits them while everyone else gets pissed off at the ideas.
I write this thread as a plee before 1.02 , please don't screw around with the game too much! a patch is merely a bug fixer which I expect as part of package, but don't alter the game I bought and if you do, at least make it modifiable.

 

[Makeyourownmind]

Don't stop necessary changes.

The game is playable at the state it is. Don't patch if you want it that way.

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BUT... we want to have a better game. Thats why we make suggestions. If you would read all the threads, you would notice that over 50% is based on a good idea, and another 50% of this 50% is reasearched. I don't say Paradox has to use every suggestion. They have an own will, and they think it through. They can't use all of the good ones, too, because they might be to work intensive.

Most of the changes they do are usefull. And since a lot people ask for a better handling, don't you think there is something that can make the game better... ?
See Hearts of Iron I, the first release is merely playable. But patch 1.06 makes it a good game. Since so much has changed since HoI I, they have to undergo the same process the second time: all the good new ideas have to be made usefull - again. This costs time, and nerves. But it would cost more of them if the patches wouldn't be made.

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A second time: if you like it the way it is, don't patch it. But A LOT of people would like to see the changes be made. They want to patch. Let them have their will, too.
I, for an example, don't play HoI-II at the time, because I wait for the patch: It is a great game, and I love it, but some of the changes are necessary.

 

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No' the game isn't playable at the moment, there are too many major bugs like the winter attrition bug..
I think enhancments are good, if you wanna make it so the interface looks better, or that a button can be added to autmatically set the resources to maximum in the consumer goods demand, I just don't like the alterations in the actual game play that come bundled together with the patch, make bug fixes enhancments and "ai tweaks" things that can be installed seperately from one another if necessary.
I am sure there are a lot of players that learn the game in about 20 minutes, but for me and a lot of others it can take weeks to properly master the game and a new patch just comes along and you don't know where the hell you are anymore, generally these "gameplay tweaks" seem seem to focus on making conquest less profitable and that just spoils the game I think.

 

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I have played nearly all paradox titles and actually bought quite a lot too, one thing that remains consistent with these titles are the huge gameplay changes that takes place after every patch.. I find it takes me days to learn how to properly master how the game works only to find a new patch came out, which totally altered the game.
The worst one I have seen so far was the eu2? badboy fix, that didn't make it completely dissapear after peace but made it gradually dissapear over many years. In my opinion that ruined the game, it just made it boring dealing with revolts every month.
The problem with hoi games is thatthe benefit of conquering land is reduced to pathetic amounts, I noticed that the IC for non national (but owned) territory is 0.2 - 0.3333 what does that mean? I only get 20 - 33 % of the ic from non national provinces.. that really is quite ridiculous, I can't see factories operating at such a pittance.
the fanboys of hoi2 that post their suggestions always seem to get what they want, and the game just suits them while everyone else gets pissed off at the ideas.
I write this thread as a plee before 1.02 , please don't screw around with the game too much! a patch is merely a bug fixer which I expect as part of package, but don't alter the game I bought and if you do, at least make it modifiable.

You don´t HAVE to download new patches if you don´t want to!

 

[unmerged(31954)]

You don´t HAVE to download new patches if you don´t want to!

That is such an obnoxious response. The guy has a very good point. It was a big reason I quit playing HOI 1 at the 1.04 patch.

In case you missed it, this is the forum for suggestions. This forum was made for people to suggest things. The guy suggested something. I would like to think the fanboi muggings could be avoided on this forum at least. Guess not.

 

[unmerged(38672)]

That is such an obnoxious response. The guy has a very good point. It was a big reason I quit playing HOI 1 at the 1.04 patch.

In case you missed it, this is the forum for suggestions. This forum was made for people to suggest things. The guy suggested something. I would like to think the fanboi muggings could be avoided on this forum at least. Guess not.

I think the original post was obnoxious, so... Aren´t what he calls "drastic gameplay changes" meant to be drastic improvements to the game, like for example retreat-rules, diplomatic options and strength of air-units? Sure, bugs need to be fixed, but there are so many good suggestions on this forum and in the wishlist. Wishes that would have improved the game a lot! That would make it more fun, more user-friendly, more balanced, more realistic and more WW2!

Shouldn´t they be implemented in the game because some players (a minority, I suppose) doesn´t want to learn to play the game with the supposedly improved gameplay? Should that stop us "fanboys" (the majority, I suppose) from getting improvements in the game? How can I if I am a fanboy want to improve the game so much? Isn´t it fanboys that DON´T want the game to improve, because they like it just the way it is now, and therefore not critize and suggest improvements to the game? HOI2 has flaws, and changes, even some quite drastic gameplay-changes may make it the gem it should be!

Maybe Paradox can release two patches; one bugfix-patch and one enhancement-patch to solve these issues. Otherwise, it is better just to avoid new patches if you don´t want things changed (=improved).

 

[unmerged(2037)]

That is such an obnoxious response. The guy has a very good point. It was a big reason I quit playing HOI 1 at the 1.04 patch.

In case you missed it, this is the forum for suggestions. This forum was made for people to suggest things. The guy suggested something. I would like to think the fanboi muggings could be avoided on this forum at least. Guess not.

But such an suggestion is an outright heresy ...

 

[Slargos]

Yes. He's free to make suggestions and other people are free to disagree with him.

The majority of players like and enjoy the gameplay changes but for some they will be gamebreaking.

The suggestion to not install the patches is a valid one.

 

[bennnyp]

Besides not installing new patches so as not to change the environment or strategies already assimilated, you can also adjust various files eg. the difficulty and misc. files to "personalise" the games as you see fit (as per your example, you can modify the IC utilisation in occupied/annexed territories from 0.2 to whatever you feel appropriate).

I personally feel that a major strenght in Paradox as a game manufacturer/programmer is indeed the fantastic after-release game support that keep the games up-to-date and with subsequent improvements. I find IMHO the improvements/changes that come in each new patch a welcome addition that make it worthwhile to start a new game.

Fun is the major objective here and you have here all the flexibility to utilise the new enhancements or not. You also have the mods...