Please Slightly Update the Spanish Mission Tree

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Rudolf Nechvile II

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Since the devs are willing to update the mission trees a bit and are already tweaking the Spanish missions, I would just like to suggest two minor changes.

My problem lies specifically with two missions: "Expel the Moriscos" and "Spanish Netherlands". Both of which are somewhat ahistorical to different degrees.

The problem with the former is that it was intended to make use of the controversial Expel Minority mechanic that came with Golden Century. However, that mechanic has changed a bit and the mission is now rather useless. Furthermore, Andalusians ≠ Moriscos, so it makes no sense to expel a culture that is around today.

The problem with the latter is just that it is mildly ahistorical, in that it requires you to also own the Bishopric of Liége. Liége was never part of the Spanish or later Austrian Netherlands and it just makes for annoying gameplay if I want to stay allied to the emperor. I would suggest either removing the requirement to also own Liége; however, I believe a more elegant and perhaps easier to implement solution would just be to change the requirement to "control X number of provinces in the Low Countries. This way it could also account for a slightly diminished Burgundy before the inheritance, and not force you into war either.

Edit: One last minor change I would like to see would be with the "Continue Reconquista" mission. I don't think it's as much a priority as the other two, but if the devs go through with not allowing you to take land with the restoration of Union CB, please allow "or owned by direct subject" completion requirement to the mission as well. Currently if you PU Portugal through the tree, you won't be able to fulfill the mission without a conquest war first, because they own Ceuta at game start. A better solution to the whole taking land thing would perhaps be to allow you to take land you claim and cores too when you restore PUs, or just use the existing unjustified demands mechanic and up the penalty.
 
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Yes I agree with both points, preferable the hold X numbers solution for the Lowlands. This is the design philosophy used for the newest conquest mission trees anyways.
 
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IMO adding 'non-tributary owns the province' to the condition is enough for the Ceuta problem.
It's definitely the easiest solution if the devs decide to maintain the changes to CBs as is, but I would still prefer to see more comprehensive changes which would help with other edge cases. It also maintains the CB versatility that others pointed out, makes EU4 different from CK and Vicky.
 
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Golden Century was such a disappointment. I'd love to see Iberia getting some love--especially in their mission trees--but at the moment there are other regions that need the attention more (please Scandinavia).
 
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Golden Century was such a disappointment. I'd love to see Iberia getting some love--especially in their mission trees--but at the moment there are other regions that need the attention more (please Scandinavia).
I agree, and since Tinto is located in Spain, I'm hoping they'll at some point finally make the pass Iberia deserves, perhaps when they do South America.

But for now I think the devs are just willing to do these minor tweaks, as they're not full on content changes.
 
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Another problem I have seen in AI Castile is that they never complete the "prepare Reconquista" mission because they never achieve 100% FL and 60% MP at the same time. Maybe a slight change in that would ease the way to the AI to get permaclaims in Granada without them fabricating and delaying the conquest. Also, it would be great if there was a mission to represent the battle of San Quintín, by which Spain won a battle against France (so, to complete it, you must win a battle against a rival), and the king ordered the construction of El Escorial (so the reward could be upgrading the monument to level 1)
 

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Greetings! Overhauling Spanish mission is one pet peeve of mine, not only for being Spaniard, but also an Historian, so I'll take a careful look on this proposals (although I cannot promise when, TBH).
 
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Greetings! Overhauling Spanish mission is one pet peeve of mine, not only for being Spaniard, but also an Historian, so I'll take a careful look on this proposals (although I cannot promise when, TBH).
Hi and thank you! I'm just really glad to have confirmation that this on your radar now :)
 

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The problem with the latter is just that it is mildly ahistorical, in that it requires you to also own the Bishopric of Liége. Liége was never part of the Spanish or later Austrian Netherlands and it just makes for annoying gameplay if I want to stay allied to the emperor. I would suggest either removing the requirement to also own Liége; however, I believe a more elegant and perhaps easier to implement solution would just be to change the requirement to "control X number of provinces in the Low Countries. This way it could also account for a slightly diminished Burgundy before the inheritance, and not force you into war either.
This x100000000000000000000000000!!!!! So annoying to have to take Liege, it was never part of Spain it's a pain to take!

Currently if you PU Portugal through the tree, you won't be able to fulfill the mission without a conquest war first, because they own Ceita at game start. A better solution to the whole taking land thing would perhaps be to allow you to take land you claim and cores too when you restore PUs, or just use the existing unjustified demands mechanic and up the penalty.
Oh and this too, there is a way around it. You just let Portugal get killed by the Moroccans so they take it, and then you take it off Morocco. But it's a pain.
 
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