Please PI, fix the German/HRE de jure setup: breake up the Kingdom of Germany!
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As you can see above (post 22) I tackled the problem differently. I do not like the arbitrary Rus/Ruthenia split either. But the devs probably think that gameplay wise large kingdoms don't work quite well probably, and smaller kingdoms are funnier in MP games, hence the split (to my view this means that Germany is still too big, but anyways).
Said this, I reduced the Empire of Russia to the old pre-1.06 kingdom of Rus (plus the duchy of Polotsk) and carved a space of a Grand Principality of Vladimiran Rus' between Rus and Ruthenia (becoming Novgorodian and Kievan Rus' respectively). This makes the balance quite nicer actually: Vladimir forms almost always and when it managed to form Russia (in 1.06, now it's nigh impossible also because of the two kingdoms requirement) it could also if not stop at least fight well the Mongols. Calling russian Kings 'Grand Princes', dukes 'Princes' and Russia 'the All Russias' makes everything more historical and consistent in my opinion.
exactly.. though I understand why they broke Germany up, I wouldn't want it removed.
Rus being split into Rus and Ruthenia makes sense though, since there's now the empire of Russia
Personally I hate the name, Ruthenia is just Rus in Latin.
Burgundy was in the German sphere of influence from the times of Otto I and it was already in 1006 when they made the deal that the HRE would inherit Burgundy once it's ruler dies. My point is that the unification was a longer process and nobility had time to prepare themselves to it.
Doge voting could be a problem. Only solutions I can think to that are changing the election process so that only lords of same type could vote, but that would eliminate prince-archbishop electors, which isn't ideal either or somehow limit the voting only to primary kingdom of the empire. I have no idea how plausible either solution is. Although elector system similar to EUIII could work with some modifications.
And I don't really know why Kievan Rus is divided to Ruthenia and Rus. There's late medieval/early modern division between Russia and Russia Minor (Ukraine), but that wasn't the reality in 1066.
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I don't mind doges and prince-archbishops themselves being able to vote, just that other rulers can vote for them. Only feudal rulers (ie dukes/kings) should be eligible for election -- make that the case and the 'Italy problem' should go away.
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I just find highly ridiculous to call a suggestion a fix.
On the suggestion in itself now.
I think there is already too much tiny kingdoms and making the density of kingdoms completly regular isn't a good thing IMHO. Let's have bigger kingdoms and smaller ones.
On the suggestion in itself now.
I think there is already too much tiny kingdoms and making the density of kingdoms completly regular isn't a good thing IMHO. Let's have bigger kingdoms and smaller ones.
Of course you're always the best.
It's a stupid nominal issue. There is no short verb in English as far as I know to say 'comply to this suggestion'.
True, but I always personally felt, that some kingdoms are just a tad too large, andi prefer having them split up a bit, even if it's slightly arbitary.
But i think it's a matter of prefference
Largest kingdoms are more fun to form, because getting enough land is more challenging. Former Germany and Rus were one of the best kingdoms, because it took time and wars to get enough duchies under your control. Now there's no real challenge because these new petty kingdoms are too easy to form, it's almost as difficult as forming Brittany or Wales.
This sounds like a simple solution and better than any of my own ideas.
I still would find weird to see Matilde of Tuscany and the Lombard dukes to vote for the HRE emperor though. Also I don't know how to mod SoH ideas, it's hardcoded stuff only the devs can take care of I think
That would only be the case if Italy were indeed a de jure part of the HRE, though.
I just mean that as a general fix not letting non-feudal rulers be voted for would probably be an improvement.
Besides, if modders wish to have Italy (or other kingdoms) as part of the HRE then this fix would be invaluable. In fact, you could still have Italy as part of the Empire in vanilla if it's conquered and absorbed.
No one would ever vote for an ecclesiastical leader or doge as Holy Roman Empire. It shouldn't be an option.
EDIT: Yes, this is hardcoded. Paradox would need to do this.
since you probably speak English more than I do, you know what the verb "fix" implies and so you know it is clearly biased.
Feel free to suggest this in the bug forum if you like. I agree it's much better than what we have now, but it would definitely require input from Paradox because the rules governing who can vote under Feudal Elective are hardcoded.
As I say, it's fine that ecclesiastical rulers and doges can vote (three of the historical prince-electors were bishops after all) but there ought to be a change in 1.08 making it so they can't be voted for.
I imagine this would fix the Open Elective bug that used to plague 1.05/1.06 games. There may be other factors I'm aware of, though.
So you want to make a workaround and not fix the actual bug. Just making it so that the succession law doesn't change if a doge is elected is far more simpler than prevent them from being voted.
Why would anyone vote mayor/doge to king or emperor? Usually you have to be secular member of high nobility (with feudal title) to qualify as candidate.