"My Sultan, the Romans are blockading the straits!"
"Don't worry soldier, we will go around the Black Sea!"
"B-But my liege, that isn't..."
"Shh, just accept."
Please Paradox make Byzantium playable and fun, like it was in 1.3 and 1.4.
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"My Sultan, the Romans are blockading the straits!"
"Don't worry soldier, we will go around the Black Sea!"
"B-But my liege, that isn't..."
"Shh, just accept."
that absolute catastrophe was the way the Byzantines really did hold off the Ottomans for centuries. It only failed because they lost control of their side of the strait. Removing that strategy as a plausible means to defend against the ottos is ahistoric and unfortunate.
This is so silly. This is the equivalent of asking to make HOI4 Poland playable and fun with a 1938 start.
Just wait for all the EU4 expansions + a Magna Mundi tier mod, then revisit Byzantium.
Or learn to just mod your game
Just wait for all the EU4 expansions + a Magna Mundi tier mod, then revisit Byzantium.
Or learn to just mod your game
If you're this hell-bent on playing as Byzantium, just edit a savefile and give them the whole of Greece.
Ok Byzantium is essentially impossible or else requires dumb luck completely. 5 time restarted and did everything perfect to get control of entire balkans. (Mil access serbia, ally serbia, and Bosnia. Wallachia Rivals and embargos, all but win war with Wallachia, call in serbia/bosnia, which refuses, then declare war using dishonored Ally CB). Actually restarted like 20 times as sometimes serbia rivaled me so it wouldn't work so well.
Problem is is that OE always declares war as soon as done with Albania...
Problem is is that OE always declares war as soon as done with Albania...
I'm halfway through a playthrough now, and while it's somewhat finnicky, I got it going on the second attempt using basically the strategy laid out here and elsewhere. The only detail I'd add is to do whatever it takes to get Muscovy/Russia south. Unless they get some territory in southern Crimea, they won't join your wars (and do to some error in the UI it will tell you yes anyway >_< )
Getting a "shot" as byz requires vassalizing Bosnia and Serbia and ideally wallachia as well and taking the stab hits to do it. After that get Lithuania ideally as an ally or anybody strong enough who is rivaled to ottomans. Don't bother about Austria mostly. Too HRE occupied. Venice is a great choice if it can be done as they will turn the tide of naval combat because you can't keep up with the ottos unless they lose their fleet in a prior engagement.
Once u got your vassals ans allies then wait and pray ottomans get embroiled in a war that weakens the, then declare war too and white knuckle that shit to maybe victory. The first victory is enough to turn the tide and after that the ottomans are doomed.
Which ionically I believe is similar to real life I'm that had Venice decides to side with Byzantium and the Hungarians too they could have pushed ottomans out of Greece and after that any bodies guess....
Once u got your vassals ans allies then wait and pray ottomans get embroiled in a war that weakens the, then declare war too and white knuckle that shit to maybe victory. The first victory is enough to turn the tide and after that the ottomans are doomed.
Which ionically I believe is similar to real life I'm that had Venice decides to side with Byzantium and the Hungarians too they could have pushed ottomans out of Greece and after that any bodies guess....
I'm almost certain that hasn't worked for a while. Changed ... sometime during 1.3x I think.
But vassalising Bosnia/Serbia is a must, yeah (make sure that it's Bosnia, not Serbia as gets to annex ... uhm... the little OPM whose name just escaped me. If Serbia gets it, they'll be annoyingly 102% to vassalise).
No need to take the stab hit most times though, as they'll often rival and embargo you. Nice, free CB
Confirmed works in 1.5 vassal SERBIA first. I'm most situations Bosnia will have taken Ragusa in the meantime which is good and potentially allied wallachia. Them u only need to take another stab hit to finish Bosnia, wallachia and opm Ragusa at same time.
That feel when you finally ally Poland, but they won't join your war because they have the threatened attitude towards the Ottomans.
I'm playing with the Conquest of Paradise DLC, I will check out Purple Phoenix, thank you!
To get the Balkans under control you can use the same old trick as before with just a slight adjustment - ally Bosnia and Wallachia, declare no CB war on Serbia, call in Wallachia as soon as Serbia is ready to give in (take Zeta + vassalisation), then do the same for Bosnia once you've finished off Wallachia then fabricate claim on Ragusa and annex them too for the trade income boost and naval force limits. You just have to hope the OE doesn't DoW on you rather than having a guaranteed 5 year truce.
Poland is there mostly so the OE can't jump on you and just eat you up, Poland will almost always join a defensive war. You can annex every non-Ottoman province you have a core on and maybe get a Georgian vassal if you're lucky in the meantime at which point you can straight up take OE in a war even without Poland as long as you can blockade the straits.
Poland is there mostly so the OE can't jump on you and just eat you up, Poland will almost always join a defensive war. You can annex every non-Ottoman province you have a core on and maybe get a Georgian vassal if you're lucky in the meantime at which point you can straight up take OE in a war even without Poland as long as you can blockade the straits.
You don't really need to DoW without a CB. You can DoW Trebizond and take on them and Georgia fairly easily. Or DoW Albania, blockade them, and make them concede defeat the next month.
The fact that you were ever able to get Ottos interested in the release of your vassals was a bug, if you ask me. If I have a mission to conquer Constantinople and some puny AI nation offers me 23 ducats and the release of some vassals so that I won't take Constantinople from them, do you think I'm ever going to accept? No, of course not. So why should it be different when it's an AI nation attacking and a puny human offering peace terms?
Well, if you haven't tried out Purple Phoenix, then that might just be the problem for you. I look forward to hearing from you about how that changes things, or doesn't.
Purple Phoenix is a useless DLC. You almost always get the wrong missions and they require way too high military rank on the monarch to even appear.
Or simply find a way to play them as is now...Jeez...It just requires more luck with each patch but its far from impossible and should stay that way.
