Please let us choose the Syncretic Evolution secondary species

[SolarGuy]

I think it would be awesome if we could choose the portrait of the secondary species if we take the Syncretic Evolution civic. Maybe even their name and description.
I could see this being useful for roleplaying (so we can properly decide our species' history) as well as modding (Goa'uld that have Jaffa as their slaves).

 

[Your3rdShadow]

I was wondering about that myself, I hope that's how it works, name of the species, pic, obviously it's traits are pre-selected.

 

[Diezy]

Indeed, Syncretic would be terribly bare-bones and soulless without the appearance/name customization. It'd be the most fun bit of looking forward to it!

 

[henzington]

Even it's not included you could always change the name and portrait by editing the save game. I would prefer to not have to do this so hopefully they just have it built into species creation.

 

[marvin the martian]

Choosing the appearance and the traits of the secondary species would indeed be highly appreciated.

Then again, to avoid potential min-maxing, there should be some restraints. Maybe give them less trait points than the primary species or reduce the possible traits to pick from?

 

[Lothmar]

I agree with wanting this, but it's likely gonna be the same portrait as the rest of your pops just like everyone who synthetic ascends will probably be vanilla synths.

 

[Azhcristokos]

I suspect that initially you won't be able to choose. Eventually, as the community requests it enough post-1.5, the devs will probably decide to improve it.

 

[DukeLeto42]

It is reasonable, given that we're permanently sacrificing a civic slot to get them.

 

[Rip Off Productions]

Choosing the appearance and the traits of the secondary species would indeed be highly appreciated.

Then again, to avoid potential min-maxing, there should be some restraints. Maybe give them less trait points than the primary species or reduce the possible traits to pick from?

I'd be fine if the traits of the second species were fixed as just being the "Strong" and "Prole" traits, but having the portraits and name is critical to making good background story/fluff for your custom empires(and name lists? not sure if they'd need a separate one, sense syncretic evolution suggests these two species have co-existed for a long time and likely share a common culture/language[within biological limits])

 

[SolarGuy]

I agree with wanting this, but it's likely gonna be the same portrait as the rest of your pops just like everyone who synthetic ascends will probably be vanilla synths.

It's actually a random portrait other than your own right now. And that's what I (and, apparently, lots of other people) don't like: It's random and can't be chosen.

Choosing the appearance and the traits of the secondary species would indeed be highly appreciated.

Then again, to avoid potential min-maxing, there should be some restraints. Maybe give them less trait points than the primary species or reduce the possible traits to pick from?

Adding to what Rip Off Productions wrote:
Their traits are indeed fixed to "Proles" and "Strong" and that won't significantly change afaik. So all the worries about min-maxing and "the best design" can actually be put aside.

I'd be fine if the traits of the second species were fixed as just being the "Strong" and "Prole" traits, but having the portraits and name is critical to making good background story/fluff for your custom empires(and name lists? not sure if they'd need a separate one, sense syncretic evolution suggests these two species have co-existed for a long time and likely share a common culture/language[within biological limits])

Marvin never said that portraits shouldn't be choosable. He's just talking about restraints in the area of traits, which is a fixed area anyways.

 

[Emraldis]

I am feeling more and more like species creation and faction creation should be separate...

 

[Rip Off Productions]

Marvin never said that portraits shouldn't be choosable. He's just talking about restraints in the area of traits, which is a fixed area anyways.

I never said that was what he as suggesting, just that priority goes to them over customizing the traits.

 

[DukeLeto42]

Their traits are indeed fixed to "Proles" and "Strong" and that won't significantly change afaik. So all the worries about min-maxing and "the best design" can actually be put aside.

I'd like to choose portraits, but that solves trait problems nicely.

 

[Fourthspartan56]

I am feeling more and more like species creation and faction creation should be separate...

Why? For the most part each polity will have a single species, those that follow syncretic evolution should be able to choose the portrait and name but that doesn't justify arbitrarily separating the species creation.

 

[Emraldis]

Why? For the most part each polity will have a single species, those that follow syncretic evolution should be able to choose the portrait and name but that doesn't justify arbitrarily separating the species creation.

If you can custom make species, than they can occur as pre-spaceflight, or pre-sentient species, at random. Also, random empires/FEs could be generated that use your species. This could make having things like "lost colony" type civs using civics a lot easier.

 

[Fourthspartan56]

If you can custom make species, than they can occur as pre-spaceflight, or pre-sentient species, at random. Also, random empires/FEs could be generated that use your species. This could make having things like "lost colony" type civs using civics a lot easier.

Maybe, but I still don't see the need for such a feature. It's not like you can't make random empires/FE's already with just custom empires, separating species just seems pointless.

 

[Four eyed fish]

I'm curious to see how the secondary species plays under a egalitarian empire, will I still have to wait for them to migrate on there own?
Would I be better colonising with the secondary and setting my primary to wandering/migratory or what ever the trait was?
Or will you be able to colonise with both species at the same time.

 

[Sheriff Godwin Law]

I expect their current build has the prole species spawn as a randomly created species within a specific set of parameters as a first day event. I expect that they're aware that this would be a more fulfilling or enjoyable trait selection if customization were a possibility. I also expect they're going to see how popular syncretic evolution is and, not to speak ill of anyone, may want to see what kind of community solution's pop up that they can borrow from, before they enact any sort of plan to fix it.

But what I don't know is how difficult it would be to make your prole species a part of your initial species design or what the best way would be to fix that.

 

[Azhcristokos]

I expect their current build has the prole species spawn as a randomly created species within a specific set of parameters as a first day event. I expect that they're aware that this would be a more fulfilling or enjoyable trait selection if customization were a possibility. I also expect they're going to see how popular syncretic evolution is and, not to speak ill of anyone, may want to see what kind of community solution's pop up that they can borrow from, before they enact any sort of plan to fix it.

But what I don't know is how difficult it would be to make your prole species a part of your initial species design or what the best way would be to fix that.

I agree that they will likely scan our posts to see if any of us have some brilliant ideas. I really don't think there's anything wrong with that though. By all means, cater to our whims, ye Swedes!

 

[Praetorian44]

Yeah I would really like this to be included. However, I believe that Wiz stated that it isn't possible to select the pic or name used. I hope they decide to reverse this decision.