Please let me ally my brothers

[kviiri]

Title.

I appreciate the effort the devs have done to fortify dynasty building in several realms as a playstyle alternate to just plain ol' single realm blobbing. There's both the carrot (renown) and the stick (confederate partition).

But there's a BUT. After a succession, when my realms split, no matter how much I'd like to I just CANNOT ally my brothers who got lesser kingdoms. The -200 title claimant modifier is too strong to overcome and seems to stack. So when my realm splits, I have only two options: take the bits I lost back, or ignore them completely. Often the last option has ended in the unfavorable outcome where another realm conquers them, at which point I've just sighed and pressed the claim to reunify. I'd much rather help my siblings stay in power, at least for the time being, and maybe receive their help in return.

Maybe reduce the alliance penalty in case both are claimants of each other? Or have a diplomacy action to defer claims or something.

 

[grommile]

Some kind of way to agree with your brother(s) "what's yours is yours, what's mine is mine, now let's each keep the rest of the world's hands off it together" would be nice, yes.

(Obviously there should be limits; an Ambitious, Greedy brother's answer should be along the lines of "go to hell".)

 

[Choorus]

Some kind of way to agree with your brother(s) "what's yours is yours, what's mine is mine, now let's each keep the rest of the world's hands off it together" would be nice, yes.

(Obviously there should be limits; an Ambitious, Greedy brother's answer should be along the lines of "go to hell".)

I believe that could be solved with a deal, where both sides revoke claims on the titles of the other party. It could cost prestige, but give piety (I still don't remember CK3 terms for those two).
It would be just such a nice and realistic way of dealing with family feuds.

 

[kviiri]

I believe that could be solved with a deal, where both sides revoke claims on the titles of the other party. It could cost prestige, but give piety (I still don't remember CK3 terms for those two).
It would be just such a nice and realistic way of dealing with family feuds.

Instead of revoke, I think "revoke for now" would be better – such deal'd quite possibly not be respected for the further generations to come. Maybe it could, in terms of existing game mechanics, convert the claims to implicit ones that mature once the current holder has died (and at that point, the deal can either be ignored or re-negotiated)?

 

[Matt516]

I've also been quite irritated by this. I can definitely understand a slight penalty for being a claimant, but when my sister has opinion 100 of me and is my friend? Seems like there should be a way to work something alliance-y out.

 

[Chlodio]

Because doesn't understand the difference between claimants and pretenders.

Claimants are people with a possible right to the throne, they are neutral and not a threat to themselves; monarchs intermarried and everybody tended to have some level of claim to each other, but it didn't impact relations, because it was normal.

Meanwhile, pretenders were claimants who openly disputed somebody else's right to the throne, even if they were in exile they possessed a threat because they offered an alternative to the incumbent.

 

[kviiri]

I've also been quite irritated by this. I can definitely understand a slight penalty for being a claimant, but when my sister has opinion 100 of me and is my friend? Seems like there should be a way to work something alliance-y out.

Not to mention, when I'm the ruler of half of India while the other guy is a two-county king of Lanka. It wouldn't even be a war, it'd be a police action.

 

[Dragatus]

I imagine the intention was to prevent the AI from locking itself out of the possibility of pushing it's claims. But even so the AI isn't going to benefit much from claims, particularly junior heirs who don't inherit the old ruler's MAA regiments.

I'm okay with Ambitious character having that modifier, but for the rest it should be much lower, and Content characters shouldn't have it at all.

 

[Miroku20X6]

Alternative solution:

The player will often be House/Dynasty head. Let’s say you’re king of Hungary, and your brother is king of Poland. He won’t ally due to -200 title claimant, but if YOU are in a war, you can “Call House Member” to get him into the war. On the flip side, there is no reverse mechanic where you the house head can “Support House Member” to get in on his defensive war. Adding such a mechanic would allow you to help your kin even without alliance, and I think it would be a good addition.

 

[Choorus]

Because doesn't understand the difference between claimants and pretenders.

Claimants are people with a possible right to the throne, they are neutral and not a threat to themselves; monarchs intermarried and everybody tended to have some level of claim to each other, but it didn't impact relations, because it was normal.

Meanwhile, pretenders were claimants who openly disputed somebody else's right to the throne, even if they were in exile they possessed a threat because they offered an alternative to the incumbent.

The problem is that some claimants automatically become pretenders, which they shouldn't without some sort of action. Chances of a character performing the said action should be influenced by, amongst others, their opinion of the title holder.

 

[Viz79]

Sorry to necro this thread but its because I can't find anything more on this.

I have literally stopped playing CK3 over this. You may think this is over the top but I find it very immersion breaking to find a sister I am extremely close to not fight alongside me when another neighbour invades because of this modifier. Its absolutely ridiculous to just have a -200 modifier due to an interest in the land I received upon parents death when siblings and their interests are far more complicated. I had a sibling invaded but refuse to allow with me to protect our lands when only a few years ago we were close and united. I have no idea what the devs were thinking.

Did they reduce the modifier or putting that to the side, are there any mods that helps with this please?

Thanks

 

[Ashantai]

@Viz79
Please start a new thread rather than necro'ing an old post.