If you don't mind a shorter game, the 1 Jan 1187 (3rd Crusade) bookmark has a Kingdom of Jerusalem in the Middle East to distract Muslim powers.
Please help with my second game
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You can try to revoke your vassals and banish them for cash. With those cases however it would be very hard to “salvage,” since this is more or less a consequence of former action or inaction.
If you have the sword of Islam dlc you could just try surrendering. In my experience, the muslim invasion casus belli doesn't kick the original holders out of their lands, they just become vassals and possibly subject to either revocations of titles or conversion to the invaders brand of Islam.
The problem is, I'm not sure what happens to the rightful ruler of the kingdom, you in this case. At the very least, you would lose some vassals as you are a king and the Fatimid sultan will pry that title of you after he wins. That would mean that any dukes you had as vassals would become direct vassals of the sultan instead. You might get to become a vassal duke under him, given that you hold atleast one duchy along with your kingdom.
Worst case scenario: the sultan simply receives all your landed titles and it's game over.
Anyway, if you get to keep your titles, you can work towards getting back your lost vassals and independence within the sultanate itself and perhaps after that, swear fealty to another liege. You could save your game and try this out.
Btw, it's possible that swearing fealty to Byzantines or HRE won't be enough to discourage the arabian muslims. I tried it once and they simply declared war on the Kaizer instead.
I did, however, have holy orders and since the Kaizer was directly involved, he sent some men to die of attrition too.
The problem is, I'm not sure what happens to the rightful ruler of the kingdom, you in this case. At the very least, you would lose some vassals as you are a king and the Fatimid sultan will pry that title of you after he wins. That would mean that any dukes you had as vassals would become direct vassals of the sultan instead. You might get to become a vassal duke under him, given that you hold atleast one duchy along with your kingdom.
Worst case scenario: the sultan simply receives all your landed titles and it's game over.
Anyway, if you get to keep your titles, you can work towards getting back your lost vassals and independence within the sultanate itself and perhaps after that, swear fealty to another liege. You could save your game and try this out.
Btw, it's possible that swearing fealty to Byzantines or HRE won't be enough to discourage the arabian muslims. I tried it once and they simply declared war on the Kaizer instead.
I did, however, have holy orders and since the Kaizer was directly involved, he sent some men to die of attrition too.
If it is a Holy War then they get all the lands... If it is a Claim War then you end up with a new Liege, though I think you will lose the King title, so you could still be a Duke... I think it is only De Jure claims where the current title holder simply becomes a vassal of the individual pressing the de jure claim...
Yes, but in this case it's highly likely that the Fatimids declared muslim invasion of Sicily on him, which they usually do. The invasion CB the muslims have doesn't, like I said, oust everybody like holy war CB does. Most of the infidel foreigners are left to hold their lands with a +75 positive opinion modifier called subjugation or some such. To help convert them to the true faith, I presume.
And ofcourse, if you invade a christian kings entire de jure lands (like in this particular case), that king will lose his kingdom title because a king can't be a vassal to another king level being, like the sultan.
That leaves a question: what happens to that christian king who got invaded? Is he completely ousted, the kingdom, any duchies he might have, any counties he might have going to the victorious sultan?
Edit: Or will he simply lose his king title and likely his main county to the sultan and get to keep his other titles, basically becoming a super-duke vassal to the sultan?