Please help me with foriegn refugees

[Marshall Thomas]

In my current game, I'm receiving lots of refugees as the result of foreign conquest from a war I'm not involved in. I had just recently colonized a Gia planet and they're all going to this one planet. This planet now has about -20 housing and 20 unemployment!

This species of refugees has really good traits (+10% to all science and another +15% to society research). So I'm glad to have them, but I can't build buildings or districts fast enough to manage the housing deficit or the unemployment.

I did give them the utopian living standard, which seems to be worth it despite the heavy cost in consumer goods (now all these unemployed pops create science -which, as I've already mentioned, they have great bonuses for and unity). By the way, do my other races (especially my original one) resent that these new refugees have higher living standards than they do?

Also, there is a new faction with pops only from this Gia planet (led by the governer of this gia planet), who are authoritarian (my empire is democratic). Their approval is very low (5%) and I don't really understand how factions work so I don't know how much of a problem this could become. I did surpress them as their happiness was already almost as low as could be, so the -20% happiness was only -5%.

These refugees have full citizenship. Also I have force immigration prohibited.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

 

[AlanC9]

Well, you could turn off the refugee policy. Although this won't please the xenophile faction, at least you won't get any more. Can you also turn on resettlement? That'd be another faction hit, likely.

With UA on I don't think you need to worry too much about the unemployment or the housing. Just build up the planet like any other. Pops will start migrating elsewhere due to the lack of housing (emigration push), but that's what you want to happen anyway.

Don't worry too much about the authoritarian faction. Having a few pops with bad views is petty likely in the late game, and doesn't hurt you much as long as you don't have a lot of factors promoting the popularity of that ideology. You can see those in the factions screen.

 

[DukeLeto42]

*Gaia (sorry, but I can't help myself)

Given that you have such a deficit, there should be a large emigration push to other worlds, assuming you have worlds available. Make sure to upgrade your government building so it stops registering as a new colony and gains a major malus to any growth (possibly beyond the actual pop growth rate, which should lead to a decline in those pops). The current conditions will make the world fairly angry and unstable, but it should be fine for the few years you will need to stabilize the situation. With forced immigration prohibited, you can't just spend energy to solve your problems, but so long as they have free movement rights, they will largely take care of themselves.

If the population is small and much of it is unemployed (which sounds like this situation), utopian abundance is very good to ensure your pops aren't useless. Though it is a bit strange, your pops will not mind the favoring of another species.

Factions:

• Based on the living standard you are using, I presume you are egalitarian. This means you will never make authoritarians happy.
• Factions give influence based on how happy they are and what portion of the population they represent. Your authoritarian faction will never give you influence (because it won't be happy), so suppression doesn't make you lose out (though it does cost influence)
• If the planet where most of the authoritarians are is critically unhappy, you may want to leave it for the moment. Pops have a base happiness of the faction's happiness (or 50% if there is no faction), modified by any empire or planetary features (so any empire-wide bonuses or maluses, as well as local impacts like, say, not enough housing). The suppressed authoritarian faction will be super unhappy, and if concentrated on one world may cause the planet's stability to dip into the danger zone (when the red fist icon appears). So, if you need to buy time to stabilize housing, stop suppression for a short while. The faction itself won't do anything, but you probably want to avoid a planetary rebellion. Of course, with -20 housing your pops may be at 0% happiness no matter what you do...
• In past versions, faction suppression would never fully remove factions, although this may have changed. If you're going to suppress, start ASAP. The very existence of the faction causes a small degree of tendency of pops towards it, so early suppression keeps it small and prevents it from sapping more of your influence.

 

[Tacticus101]

Build a wall.

 

[AlanC9]

Make sure to upgrade your government building so it stops registering as a new colony and gains a major malus to any growth (possibly beyond the actual pop growth rate, which should lead to a decline in those pops).

It's a tradeoff, though. Upgrading the capital reduces immigration pull, but increases local population growth. Depending on what's going on in the rest of the empire, upgrading might increase growth on that planet. Still, I'd upgrade anyway, since the planet can probably use the amenities.

 

[rubert]

Unhappy factions aren't too bad now as I think even at low happiness they give only -10% happiness penalty to the pops belonging to the faction. With utopian or welfare living standards the pops should be happy enough even if their faction is unhappy. Suppress the faction if you have spare influence, use welfare or utopian living standards and the authoritarian faction shouldn't grow too much or be problematic. Make sure to avoid electing the leader of the authoritarian faction as your empire's ruler.

Deep Space Black Sites on your star bases in colonized systems add further stability and government ethics attraction.

 

[Blurb]

It sounds very strange that refugees are flocking to a planet that offers neither jobs nor homes.
In a sensible world, refugees would distribute across your worlds according to the same rules as your internal migrants:
Only planets with positive net immigration pull will receive migrants, and migrants are then distributed according to these planets relative amount of net immigration pull.

 

[Badesumofu]

Build a wall.

And make the aliens pay for it!

 

[AlanC9]

It sounds very strange that refugees are flocking to a planet that offers neither jobs nor homes.
In a sensible world, refugees would distribute across your worlds according to the same rules as your internal migrants:
Only planets with positive net immigration pull will receive migrants, and migrants are then distributed according to these planets relative amount of net immigration pull.

Anyone know how refugee destinations are determined? From what I've seen they seem to go to new colonies, but that could just be an artifact of new colonies being more common in my empire when refugees came in.

 

[DukeLeto42]

Build a wall.

 

[Tacticus101]

I think Refugees go to the planet with the most empty space that has the most habitability. They often end up on your Ecumenopolis.

 

[DukeLeto42]

Anyone know how refugee destinations are determined? From what I've seen they seem to go to new colonies, but that could just be an artifact of new colonies being more common in my empire when refugees came in.

I think Refugees go to the planet with the most empty space that has the most habitability. They often end up on your Ecumenopolis.

I would guess (and this would be nothing more than a guess) that they head for the planet with the highest immigration attraction. That would often include colonies because all "new" colonies (which I believe is just defined as "reassembled ship" instead of having the full lvl1 government center) gives a massive immigration pull. Of course, an ecumenopolis also has the massive housing and employment to have a strong attraction.

 

[Blurb]

View attachment 445200

Looks like a ringworld to me.
Is that what we've been building all these years, wallworlds?

 

[DukeLeto42]

Looks like a ringworld to me.
Is that what we've been building all these years, wallworlds?

Ok now I just want a mod that replaces ringworld art with little crenelated stone walls like these, and maybe a tower where the centerpoint is for each ring segment.

 

[Aed]

Well, you could turn off the refugee policy. Although this won't please the xenophile faction, at least you won't get any more. Can you also turn on resettlement? That'd be another faction hit, likely.

Does this actually work though? In my single species empires i use the citizens only Refugee policy, which should in theory result in no refugees as the eligible pops can only be found in my empire. Yet I still get this event from time to time when someone is purging elsewhere in the galaxy.

 

[Kryndude]

Unhappy factions aren't big deal. They just don't give you very small amount of influence and givew -10% happiness penaly to it's member pops. Something not worth bothering if it's a small minority.