I really, really hope Cossacks do something with it - maybe the new Trust and Interest system will limit that syndrome - because I absolutely despise that outstanding idiocy.
What am I talking about? It's hard to describe shortly but you know that lunacy:
1) Some random CN declares war against nearby native tribe in a New World
2) Natives already have a hard time but maybe they could defeat that CN
3) However CN's overlord immediately packs 100% of his transports with top capital army, often led by a king himself, and sends them in the middle of the Amazon Jungle (of course has absolutely no logistical problems with all of that)
4) If that's stupid then it makes at least some basic sense, ya know, it's CN's overlord after all. What is idiotic is the fact that all allies of that overlord, no matter how faraway in Europe/Africa/Asia they are, they all join this war and SEND 100% OF THEIR TRANSPORTS AND DOZENS OF GIANT ARMIES OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD TO THIS DAMN AMAZON JUNGLE TO ENSURE NO NATIVES EVER STAND ANY CHANCE. HALF OF THOSE ARMIES ARE LED BY KINGS AND EMPERORS THEMSELVES AND THEY ARE OFTEN MINDLESSLY TAKEN FROM STRATEGIC AREAS THEY SHOULD DEFEND, JUST TO CRUSH CARIB TRIBE NOT WITH 2:1 BUT 20:1 NUMERICAL ADVANTAGE.
This is insane. I am playing Inca and I went to the edge of insanity when after declaring war on Portuguese Colombia not only did Portugal join the war (makes sense and is already not easy to deal with - they were powerful), not only did all Portuguese colonies from California to Mexico immediately sent all their frontier troops and sent them to my Amazon forts, not only did Castille join the war (it still makes some basic sense as they have colonies nearby), not only did France join this war despite being in the European war in the same time, not only did Tuscany and Papal State join the war, not only they all and their mothers and their prostitutes (often the same women) immediately pack their armies and send them over the Atlantic to siege some disease-ridden fort in the middle of a jungle, but they are all joined by JOLOF. THIS IS WHAT MADE ME RAGE, SEEING ACTUAL JOLOF, AFRICAN PROTECTORATE OF FRANCE, AN ALLY OF AN ALLY OF AN ALLY OF A SUBJECT FROM ACROSS THREE CONTINENTS, BOTHERING TO SEND 100% OF THEIR OPM ARMY, WITH A KING HIMSELF, JUST TO SCREW ME AND SIEGE MY FORT IN THE MIDDLE OF ARGENTINA.
This is completely idiotic. My jungles and steppes of Argentina were soon swarmed by over 100 000 of elite armies from half of Europe and half of Americas and an African kingdom, all joined in their clinical obsession to throw everything away and send their hundreds of thousands of men to die just to ensure that an ally of their intercontinental ally doesn't lose some crap province in a forest forgotten by God in the middle of the giant wasteland. I have burned through my huge manpower and tons of money and exploited everything I could to defend against those idiotic hordes of Tuscan, Papal (because Papal State was a defender of christianity at the time and the major danger against christianity is not Ottoman Empire stretching from Uzbek to Croatia but Incan jungle warfare), French, Lotharingian, Jolof, Californian and god know whose soldiers who had absolutely no interest and absolutely no purpose in investing so much just to screw some random native. This didn't even feel like a challenge, this didn't feel like a 'historical difficulty' of Precolombians defending against conquistadors, this was some ridiculous unfair slugfest.
And that's not an independent case - I have seen countless wars between natives and Europeans where billions of soldiers and their cannons horses horse armors whores and whores' armors travel from all sides of the world, from Indonesian protectorates and Japan, from Kongo and Mutapan protectorates, from Norway and Croatian allies, from 5000km faraway colonies of an ally of an ally of an ally of Australia, I have seen some random Berber tribes wasting all their manpower and money and losing rulers and dying because of investing everything in the Great Crusade against each and every native tribe their ally - of an ally - of an ally - from Wisconsin decides to declare wars against. I have seen Serbia who was a vassal of a Hungary who was an ally of France who was an overlord of Louisiana sending their entire army on a travel from Balkans to the central North America just to ensure those pesky natives are going to be exterminated. I have seen a brave, strong native nations who defeat nearby CNs and even defeat main expeditionary force but they lose anyway swarmed by some retarded German archbishoprics who sold their wives and children to buy a transport fleet and send their armies to America to KILL THOSE AMERINDIANS. I have observes a nations wasting resources on such expeditionary wars and then being destroyed by their neighbors.
Meanwhile I, as Incan empre stretching across half of South America, cannot ally any European rival-of-my-rivals because I am too far away!!!
This is frustrating. This is unbalanced, this is ahistorical and unrealistic, this is unfair - how the hell are natives ever supposed to win in such situation? I have barely managed to survive (after usng all my resources, sanity and all exploits possible) and went through hell just because of random alliances and the willingness of AI to support each and every intercontinental war - how could I possibly predict that, counter that, how could I develop any strategy countering that? There are numerous instances of Amerindians defeating settlers (my favourites are Mapuche and Iroquis) but this may never happen in eu4 because even if they win bravely against CN and CN's motherland they are still screwed by some ally-of-an-ally-of-an-ally from Central Asia who sends their khan and harem to the rainforest to kill those indigenous peoples. This also often hurts those AI who are nominally on the winning side.
This seriously NEEDS TO BE FIXED. Make anything - allies not willing to join super distant wars against some insignificant natives, or make them join the war but not be complete idiots and not ship their entire fleet and army to Paraguay, or make only CN and its' overlord being able to fight agains natives below x provinces/income (so when there is an actual powerhouse in Americas - 'powerhouse in americas' lol - it can be stopped), or maintain that but add monstrous (and realistic) logistical problems to such lunatic expeditions so half of such stupid armies die before reaching their target, ANYTHING! This syndrome makes the entire Precolombian America almost unplayable, and that's a shame because El Dorado/CoP made Amerindians very unique nations.
What am I talking about? It's hard to describe shortly but you know that lunacy:
1) Some random CN declares war against nearby native tribe in a New World
2) Natives already have a hard time but maybe they could defeat that CN
3) However CN's overlord immediately packs 100% of his transports with top capital army, often led by a king himself, and sends them in the middle of the Amazon Jungle (of course has absolutely no logistical problems with all of that)
4) If that's stupid then it makes at least some basic sense, ya know, it's CN's overlord after all. What is idiotic is the fact that all allies of that overlord, no matter how faraway in Europe/Africa/Asia they are, they all join this war and SEND 100% OF THEIR TRANSPORTS AND DOZENS OF GIANT ARMIES OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD TO THIS DAMN AMAZON JUNGLE TO ENSURE NO NATIVES EVER STAND ANY CHANCE. HALF OF THOSE ARMIES ARE LED BY KINGS AND EMPERORS THEMSELVES AND THEY ARE OFTEN MINDLESSLY TAKEN FROM STRATEGIC AREAS THEY SHOULD DEFEND, JUST TO CRUSH CARIB TRIBE NOT WITH 2:1 BUT 20:1 NUMERICAL ADVANTAGE.
This is insane. I am playing Inca and I went to the edge of insanity when after declaring war on Portuguese Colombia not only did Portugal join the war (makes sense and is already not easy to deal with - they were powerful), not only did all Portuguese colonies from California to Mexico immediately sent all their frontier troops and sent them to my Amazon forts, not only did Castille join the war (it still makes some basic sense as they have colonies nearby), not only did France join this war despite being in the European war in the same time, not only did Tuscany and Papal State join the war, not only they all and their mothers and their prostitutes (often the same women) immediately pack their armies and send them over the Atlantic to siege some disease-ridden fort in the middle of a jungle, but they are all joined by JOLOF. THIS IS WHAT MADE ME RAGE, SEEING ACTUAL JOLOF, AFRICAN PROTECTORATE OF FRANCE, AN ALLY OF AN ALLY OF AN ALLY OF A SUBJECT FROM ACROSS THREE CONTINENTS, BOTHERING TO SEND 100% OF THEIR OPM ARMY, WITH A KING HIMSELF, JUST TO SCREW ME AND SIEGE MY FORT IN THE MIDDLE OF ARGENTINA.
This is completely idiotic. My jungles and steppes of Argentina were soon swarmed by over 100 000 of elite armies from half of Europe and half of Americas and an African kingdom, all joined in their clinical obsession to throw everything away and send their hundreds of thousands of men to die just to ensure that an ally of their intercontinental ally doesn't lose some crap province in a forest forgotten by God in the middle of the giant wasteland. I have burned through my huge manpower and tons of money and exploited everything I could to defend against those idiotic hordes of Tuscan, Papal (because Papal State was a defender of christianity at the time and the major danger against christianity is not Ottoman Empire stretching from Uzbek to Croatia but Incan jungle warfare), French, Lotharingian, Jolof, Californian and god know whose soldiers who had absolutely no interest and absolutely no purpose in investing so much just to screw some random native. This didn't even feel like a challenge, this didn't feel like a 'historical difficulty' of Precolombians defending against conquistadors, this was some ridiculous unfair slugfest.
And that's not an independent case - I have seen countless wars between natives and Europeans where billions of soldiers and their cannons horses horse armors whores and whores' armors travel from all sides of the world, from Indonesian protectorates and Japan, from Kongo and Mutapan protectorates, from Norway and Croatian allies, from 5000km faraway colonies of an ally of an ally of an ally of Australia, I have seen some random Berber tribes wasting all their manpower and money and losing rulers and dying because of investing everything in the Great Crusade against each and every native tribe their ally - of an ally - of an ally - from Wisconsin decides to declare wars against. I have seen Serbia who was a vassal of a Hungary who was an ally of France who was an overlord of Louisiana sending their entire army on a travel from Balkans to the central North America just to ensure those pesky natives are going to be exterminated. I have seen a brave, strong native nations who defeat nearby CNs and even defeat main expeditionary force but they lose anyway swarmed by some retarded German archbishoprics who sold their wives and children to buy a transport fleet and send their armies to America to KILL THOSE AMERINDIANS. I have observes a nations wasting resources on such expeditionary wars and then being destroyed by their neighbors.
Meanwhile I, as Incan empre stretching across half of South America, cannot ally any European rival-of-my-rivals because I am too far away!!!
This is frustrating. This is unbalanced, this is ahistorical and unrealistic, this is unfair - how the hell are natives ever supposed to win in such situation? I have barely managed to survive (after usng all my resources, sanity and all exploits possible) and went through hell just because of random alliances and the willingness of AI to support each and every intercontinental war - how could I possibly predict that, counter that, how could I develop any strategy countering that? There are numerous instances of Amerindians defeating settlers (my favourites are Mapuche and Iroquis) but this may never happen in eu4 because even if they win bravely against CN and CN's motherland they are still screwed by some ally-of-an-ally-of-an-ally from Central Asia who sends their khan and harem to the rainforest to kill those indigenous peoples. This also often hurts those AI who are nominally on the winning side.
This seriously NEEDS TO BE FIXED. Make anything - allies not willing to join super distant wars against some insignificant natives, or make them join the war but not be complete idiots and not ship their entire fleet and army to Paraguay, or make only CN and its' overlord being able to fight agains natives below x provinces/income (so when there is an actual powerhouse in Americas - 'powerhouse in americas' lol - it can be stopped), or maintain that but add monstrous (and realistic) logistical problems to such lunatic expeditions so half of such stupid armies die before reaching their target, ANYTHING! This syndrome makes the entire Precolombian America almost unplayable, and that's a shame because El Dorado/CoP made Amerindians very unique nations.
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