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I have a bit of a problem with these stats myself being used as raw data like you are doing. Steam splits it at roughly 50/50 dual core, quad core, I can't honestly believe the majority of those buying games actively are not yet at 4 cores, given even at 4 cores I have problems running some games these days. I can however believe people adding their second work computer/laptop make up a portion of that statistic, those with inactive machines/accounts also, and finally those who bought one game once and never bought another.

I think it'd be helpful to cross reference the gpu stats and see how many of that 40% dual core stat are going to be gaming rigs, but I see no easy way to do it via the steam stats without manually adding up the upper parts of the GPU table (using those GPU's which can still run modern games).

Thats correct - publishers/developers etc would probably look more at what is currently being sold vs setups that are declining (see Wiz's comments about a month ago about how they are not going to test on single core PCs notwithstanding problems may appear). There is, for example, a known issue that laptops are a significant part of the 'gaming' market, so the (not terribly developer friendly) intel chips form the bottom end of what games should perform on.

Another issue with the steam stats is that the vast majority of accounts have only free to play games on them (assuming trading/spam accounts tend not to trip the survey) - most of which are probably not terribly intensive so can easily run on old hardware.
 

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Here's the way I see it: even if Europe is the primary focus of this game, and even though China has little if any direct influence on European affairs, China did interact with people who interacted with people who interacted with Europe.

What this means is that unless you include all of Eurasia in the game, the map will be cut off somewhere arbitrary, and there will be kingdoms with a big wall on one border where historically there were actually things. This, in my opinion, is to be avoided, even if it's not a great priority.
 
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(see Wiz's comments about a month ago about how they are not going to test on single core PCs notwithstanding problems may appear)
And still they market the game as working on single core PCs. It's their duty to have it run on those games they market it to.

(Even if I can understand the "to hell with it, who has a single-core PC anyway". At least until someone with a single-core PC arrives, complains, and is in the right.)
 
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Good for you, no need to post about it because im sure no one here cares

I disagree. I believe there is a need to post about it. There are a lot of people on this forum who want to risk destroying this game by overburdening the engine even more with even more land, even more characters and even more events.

I've spent more money on this game than any game ever. I've bought every single expansion and DLC - almost all of them full price on the day they were released. I won't let people destroy it without voicing my protest.

If you want to see it broken even more by adding China then you go right ahead.
 
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I disagree. I believe there is a need to post about it. There are a lot of people on this forum who want to risk destroying this game by overburdening the engine even more with even more land, even more characters and even more events.

I've spent more money on this game than any game ever. I've bought every single expansion and DLC - almost all of them full price on the day they were released. I won't let people destroy it without voicing my protest.

If you want to see it broken even more by adding China then you go right ahead.

Great I will, I doubt China will impact my performance anymore than anything else has, seeing how the game runs fine for me and most people. The only people who really complain about China are the same dozen posters on this forum only really. You're just a really vocal minority, not the majority contrary to your belief
 
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This is the second lamest anti-China argument after "but it's called Crusader Kings!". As if adding the world's number one superpower, most populous and advanced nation, is equivalent to adding Hawaii! :rolleyes:

Did I reason why there should't be China? No? Where is the argument? I was simply speculating what could follow after and it simply leads from one of the lamest Pro-China arguments "But Persia players can't expands east, thus India is must!".
 
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Here's the way I see it: even if Europe is the primary focus of this game, and even though China has little if any direct influence on European affairs, China did interact with people who interacted with people who interacted with Europe.

What this means is that unless you include all of Eurasia in the game, the map will be cut off somewhere arbitrary, and there will be kingdoms with a big wall on one border where historically there were actually things. This, in my opinion, is to be avoided, even if it's not a great priority.

I see it that way to. If they add China, they're going to have to add Indo-China as well and north-eastern Russia. Just because china needs to be occupied with their eastern neighbors, and don't get any ideas in rapidly expanding all the way to the Caspian sea.
 
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Great I will, I doubt China will impact my performance anymore than anything else has, seeing how the game runs fine for me and most people. The only people who really complain about China are the same dozen posters on this forum only really. You're just a really vocal minority, not the majority contrary to your belief

Put your game on observe, speed 4 or 5, record it for 200 years and upload it to Youtube and give me the link. Start in whichever date you like.
 

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Great I will, I doubt China will impact my performance anymore than anything else has, seeing how the game runs fine for me and most people. The only people who really complain about China are the same dozen posters on this forum only really. You're just a really vocal minority, not the majority contrary to your belief
I could be one guy sockpuppetting for twelve. The moment I was guaranteed the game would run well on my machine, it has to run well on my machine. Else, it's fraud.
 
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Couldn't they just give China it's own religious type and remove the spread religion option?

but,never been a ancient chinese dynasty that has a state religion, because confucian didn't care about anything beyond the reality,typical example is the emperor will separately appease and reward all the religious leaders in his highness favor.

So, china in ck2, will always be tolerant to any religion that no harm to confucian and his authority,religion like Chinese Buddhism,Tibetan Buddhism,Taoism,Jewish.

and china is a non-feudal empire since Shin Shi Kyoutei,who think feudalism is harmful and short-sighted,every time the restoration of feudalism would always cause civil wars.I wonder how paradox do to it.
 

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but,never been a ancient chinese dynasty that has a state religion, because confucian didn't care about anything beyond the reality,typical example is the emperor will separately appease and reward all the religious leaders in his highness favor.

So, china in ck2, will always be tolerant to any religion that no harm to confucian and his authority,religion like Chinese Buddhism,Tibetan Buddhism,Taoism,Jewish..

Buddhists, Nestorian Christians and Manicheans all got shafted by imperial edicts multiple times in history.

The Analects persuaded readers not to get attached to "the strange and the bizarre", and keep a respectful distance from them. But that doesn't mean when the imperial coffer needed a few bucks, when angry mobs needed to be appeased, or when the emperor heard some dubious rumours, the religious minorities could always go unscathed.

and china is a non-feudal empire since Shin Shi Kyoutei,who think feudalism is harmful and short-sighted,every time the restoration of feudalism would always cause civil wars.I wonder how paradox do to it.

I am not sure what you meant by Shinshi Kyoutei, which to my limited Japanese knowledge seems to mean Gentlemen's agreement (am Chinese). In any case, the end of Chinese feudalism was not uniformly seen as beneficial by the literati (Amazing freedom of thought in this aspect, I'd reckon). Chinese feudal system was also more heavily based on clans and kinship than the European system. Most of the titles were granted towards kins rather than non-kins, which was, I believe, how CK2 players would usually do as well. But by the time of Charlemagne (mid-Tang), the last vestige of kinship feudalism was long gone. When the central authority deteriorated enough though, regional military commanders (Jiedushi) were close approximates, though obviously no stable dynasties came out of it.

Ehh, sorry for the long tangent folks.
 
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I am not sure what you meant by Shinshi Kyoutei, which to my limited Japanese knowledge seems to mean Gentlemen's agreement (am Chinese). In any case, the end of Chinese feudalism was not uniformly seen as beneficial by the literati (Amazing freedom of thought in this aspect, I'd reckon). Chinese feudal system was also more heavily based on clans and kinship than the European system. Most of the titles were granted towards kins rather than non-kins, which was, I believe, how CK2 players would usually do as well. But by the time of Charlemagne (mid-Tang), the last vestige of kinship feudalism was long gone. When the central authority deteriorated enough though, regional military commanders (Jiedushi) were close approximates, though obviously no stable dynasties came out of it.

well,Shinshi Kyoutei is the first empire of china,the Qin dynasty,I may translated it incorrectly.

China literati has a badly fever for recreating the feudalism,but everyone knows the feudalism isn't right for the great empire,none of them will take the risk,but everyone of them always dream about it.Bureaucracy had existed 2000 years,has bloody power control the empire and the royal family.royal noble could have honorary feudalistic titles ,but no actual power at all.
 

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I could be one guy sockpuppetting for twelve. The moment I was guaranteed the game would run well on my machine, it has to run well on my machine. Else, it's fraud.

Lmao try taking that to any lawyer and seeing what they do with that information. I'm all for having a game run well on every machine, but if you actually think that them putting out an update that makes it impossible for the game to be run on low tier computers (Which they wont, China or no China.) means that they're committing legal fraud then you're pretty delusional. Stop using legal terms that you have no idea what really mean.
 
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Lmao try taking that to any lawyer and seeing what they do with that information. I'm all for having a game run well on every machine, but if you actually think that them putting out an update that makes it impossible for the game to be run on low tier computers (Which they wont, China or no China.) means that they're committing legal fraud then you're pretty delusional. Stop using legal terms that you have no idea what really mean.
The moment you buy an update that makes it impossible for the game to be run on low tier computer - and this happened with RoI, make no mistake - yes, it's illegal for them to shrug and move on. In fact, they didn't. They hurried to push an update that fixed that problem.
 
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The moment you buy an update that makes it impossible for the game to be run on low tier computer - and this happened with RoI, make no mistake - yes, it's illegal for them to shrug and move on. In fact, they didn't. They hurried to push an update that fixed that problem.

Take that to any lawyer and see what they do with that info.,they'll straight up tell you they dont have a case and won't sue anyone for doing this in any country. Go look at other games that don't meet their minimum system requirements, they're still up, no ones sued Ubisoft because Watch Dogs doesnt run on every computer it should. Minimum system requirements have no legal backing in any jurisdiction so stop acting like a backseat lawyer and talking about stuff you don't know about just to make your point look better.
 
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well,Shinshi Kyoutei is the first empire of china,the Qin dynasty,I may translated it incorrectly.

China literati has a badly fever for recreating the feudalism,but everyone knows the feudalism isn't right for the great empire,none of them will take the risk,but everyone of them always dream about it.Bureaucracy had existed 2000 years,has bloody power control the empire and the royal family.royal noble could have honorary feudalistic titles ,but no actual power at all.

Ohh, you mean Qin Shihuang. Sorry, my Japanese is indeed too rusty.

Actually, feudalism had seen a brief resurgence after the end of Qin with the establishment of Han dynasty. But after a failed rebellion against increasing centralization, emperors had always tried to find excuses to reduce powers of feudal lords. The ways they achieved this were quite interesting as well. For example, the imperial examiners were compelled to check closely whether the gold the lords handed over for rituals were pure enough. If not, it served as a dishonorable act towards the throne and their titles were revoked. The Edict of Tuien (Extending Favours) enabled gavelkind succession for feudal lords (before that only primogeniture was permitted), which eventually broke the feudal lands down into powerless tiny tidbits. The Law of Zuoguan (Adjunct Officials) prohibited appointment of councilors who served only the lords but not the throne (i.e. banning inviting courtiers). These acts together basically destroyed any remnants of Chinese feudalism. And centralized bureaucracy had gradually replaced feudalism since mid-Han.

The view that all literati wanted feudalism to come back was not quite true either. The famous Tang writer Liu Zhongyuan, for example, criticized in his famous prose Feudal Annotations (Chinese link) that it was feudalism that doomed Zhou dynasty, as it promoted separatism, inefficiency, nepotism, etc. It was only when the Qing dynasty came by, the nostalgia for feudalism and rebuilding the China of Confucius and the Sages became overwhelming mainstream, probably as a reaction to the authoritarian literary environment promulgated by the Manchu ruling class.
 
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Ohh, you mean Qin Shihuang. Sorry, my Japanese is indeed too rusty.

Actually, feudalism had seen a brief resurgence after the end of Qin with the establishment of Han dynasty. But after a failed rebellion against increasing centralization, emperors had always tried to find excuses to reduce powers of feudal lords. The ways they achieved this was quite interesting as well. For example, the imperial examiners were compelled to check closely whether the gold the lords handed over for rituals were pure enough. If not, it served as a dishonorable act towards the throne and their titles were revoked. The Edict of Tuien (Extending Favours) enabled gavelkind succession for feudal lords (before that only primogeniture was permitted), which eventually broke the feudal lands down into powerless tiny tidbits. The Law of Zuoguan (Adjunct Officials) prohibited appointment of councilors who served only the lords but not the throne (i.e. banning inviting courtiers). These acts together basically destroyed any remnants of Chinese feudalism. And centralized bureaucracy had gradually replaced feudalism since mid-Han.

The view that all literati wanted feudalism to come back was not quite true either. The famous Tang writer Liu Zhongyuan, for example, criticized in his famous prose Feudal Annotations (Chinese link) that it was feudalism that doomed Zhou dynasty, as it promoted inefficiency, nepotism, etc. It was only when the Qing dynasty came by, the nostalgia for feudalism and rebuilding the China of Confucius and the Sages became overwhelming mainstream, probably as a reaction to the authoritarian literary environment promulgated by the Manchu ruling class.

Wow,I mean every Christian would dream about the heaven kingdom but may not take movement to achieve it right?
 

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Lmao try taking that to any lawyer and seeing what they do with that information. I'm all for having a game run well on every machine, but if you actually think that them putting out an update that makes it impossible for the game to be run on low tier computers (Which they wont, China or no China.) means that they're committing legal fraud then you're pretty delusional. Stop using legal terms that you have no idea what really mean.

Is a quad core 3.4 GHz processor, 4GB GTX 770 and 8GB of RAM low tier? It's not cutting edge like it was the day I bought it a few years ago but it SHOULD be good enough to smoothly run a game consisting of a map and several menus.

The reason it doesn't run it smoothly is because the game has become hideously bloated with huge amounts of land, characters, events and decisions that weren't in the game when it launched.

I don't understand what more proof people need - the game ran fine and smoothly until Rajas. Then Rajas made it choppy, stuttery, sluggish. It has been like that ever since.
 
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