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so from what i can see, there are a few common complaints with a china DLC:

optimization- so as we know, whenever a new major patch/DLC comes out like with horse lords, the accompanying optimizations mostly just cover for the new content. however, as successive patches roll out, the optimization gets better, and the vast level of technical variances between all of our computers becomes less of an issue. should a DLC come out that flat out adds all of just china and continental SE asia (not including indonesia and japan); yes, it will have a DEFINATE impact and the game will be slower. BUT with time, patches, and further optimizations, this will become less of an issue. maybe game speed will return to the best 2.4.X levels, maybe it won't. time will have to tell.

hardware- ok so this one is a personal thing for me. i have a stock HP pavilion P7-1020. by no means is it a performance computer, but it does the job. never have i played CK2 or EU4 and not have had some lag. in fact before 2.4 and HL, whenever i raised my levies, my game slowed to a freaking crawl. but i play it anyway even though my computer kinda sucks (this patch though has done wonders for my framerate though). in all, it's a matter of personal preference and lag tolerance. i have a suboptimal computer, so why do i play a game even though it can be unbearable sometimes? because i like the game. that's why.

engine- CK2 uses the 2.5 version of the clauswitz engine. its a solid engine and there's not much more to say.

china- and the controversial subject itself. i personally want east asia added into the mix. like tufto said, having the old world without all of the old world means you have an incomplete world. and mods like .Me's old All Under Heaven mod and Umbra Spherae prove that the concept isn't doomed from the start. back in 2.1.6 (AKA RoI hell days) with All Under Heaven, i played as the japanese emperor for about 50 years, and yeah while there was plenty of lag, it was still fun. and while i haven't played umbra spherae and eagerly await Tianxia; just think; those are unofficial (meaning not optimized) and feature-wise incomplete.

to sum this all up, china, japan, indonesia, and phillipines are very much doable for the Johan & Co. it will be bumpy, it will be awkward and irritating at first, but there IS a light at the end of the tunnel.

also, since this helps, when you open the launcher or are playing the game (it doesn't matter which); hit ctrl-shift-esc; in processes there should be "CK2game.exe *32"; right click on it and go to Set Priority and then click on High to allocate more CPU power to CK2; then (provided you have a quad core) go to Set Affinity... and then DISABLE just one of you 4 cores. idk the technical aspects behind it, but it does help with the lousy multithreading. the performance boost should be noticable.:D
 
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Actually, if you look at Steam's publicly available stats the overwhelming majority (21.96%) are using a processor somewhere in the 2.3 Ghz to 2.69 Ghz range. 48.73% are still using dual core computers. So the plurality of steam users are actually using rather outdated tech.

I'm on the higher end of things at 3.40Ghz and 4 cores. I still experience mounting slowdown after 100 years or so. I don't know what your definition of an up to date computer is, but it doesn't match the reality of the situation. Your statistics are pulled out of your behind, mine aren't.
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I have a bit of a problem with these stats myself being used as raw data like you are doing. Steam splits it at roughly 50/50 dual core, quad core, I can't honestly believe the majority of those buying games actively are not yet at 4 cores, given even at 4 cores I have problems running some games these days. I can however believe people adding their second work computer/laptop make up a portion of that statistic, those with inactive machines/accounts also, and finally those who bought one game once and never bought another.

I think it'd be helpful to cross reference the gpu stats and see how many of that 40% dual core stat are going to be gaming rigs, but I see no easy way to do it via the steam stats without manually adding up the upper parts of the GPU table (using those GPU's which can still run modern games).
 

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and then DISABLE just one of you 4 cores.

After running the game for 10 years like this, it shaved a few seconds off each month, but the FPS issues were far worse, and on the "heavy" days where I can only assume multiple checks were being done, the sound turned to static and the screen frozen for a split second.
 

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You know, I could get behind a China DLC if it was "Mandate of Heaven" and the cover art was the Chinese Emperor AND the Holy Roman Emperor.

One thing I think we can all agree on for a China DLC is a way to bring instability to empires and destroy blobs (or at least hold them down). So, if making the Chin Empire playable means that Charlemagne's Empire dissolves historically and the HRE becomes an intrigue and warfare pile, I'm in.
 
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You know, I could get behind a China DLC if it was "Mandate of Heaven" and the cover art was the Chinese Emperor AND the Holy Roman Emperor.

One thing I think we can all agree on for a China DLC is a way to bring instability to empires and destroy blobs (or at least hold them down). So, if making the Chin Empire playable means that Charlemagne's Empire dissolves historically and the HRE becomes an intrigue and warfare pile, I'm in.
As cool as that idea is I'd rather have HRE dlc then mandate of heaven dlc. it would be cool if improvements to either one helped the other one out.
 
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After running the game for 10 years like this, it shaved a few seconds off each month, but the FPS issues were far worse, and on the "heavy" days where I can only assume multiple checks were being done, the sound turned to static and the screen frozen for a split second.

i know what you mean. it happens to me occasoinally too. i think its because some of parts of the game playing catchup. does the screen stutter happen each time you play with 3 cores? because it happened about a few times a month to me in 2.3.4-6 and always right after raising all 30000+ levies.
 

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Wow the people with out dated computers sure sound angry. Guys I really hate to tell you, you are not 90 percent of the people who play the game you're simply not. You folks simply are the ones complaining on the forums the most.

Nice statement, do you have any evidence to back that up with?

And of course I'd be angry if I were denied bugfixes, content patches, and future expansions because Paradox was foolish enough to add something that would break their game for such a large section of their playerbase. China should only be added if they can optimize it properly, if not, it'll be in CK3. That's the only intelligent course to take, and they've stated as such. To suggest anything else is idiotic and goes against any business sense.
 
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Well aside from the optimization issues that will more then likely happen , at least initially anyways, how would they implement it? japan, eastern Mongolia, and south east Asia i can see it wouldn't be anything drastically different from what they've all ready put into the game but china, and Korea to an extent, had very different government styles to Europe as they were governed based on an efficient bureaucracy then hereditary rule, any ideas?
 

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I honestly can't believe people are still discussing/wanting China added to this game with performance being such a mess. The promised optimization didn't work and there is absolutely no reason to believe that performance can be fixed anymore. It has been a year since Rajas of India broke this game (I seriously despise that expansion) - if it could have been fixed it would have been fixed by now.

All I can do when I keep seeing these China discussions is shake my head in disgust.
 
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All I can do when I keep seeing these China discussions is shake my head in disgust.

Can't agree with you more. I don't understand people who want to add China, if China is added, what next? Rest of Asia an Africa, Americas, Australia and Qo'noS? I feel like instead of RoI Europe could have been improved.
 
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Not sure why you are disagreeing with me -- I agree with you that the whole "Old World" (the Eurasian landmass) should be in the game. Or rather, the game will be at its best with all historical influences represented.
I don't disagree with you - I just disagree with "it's ridiculous" being the prime reason to avoid it, and point out that performance is the real reason to avoid China. If CK3 was to be released tomorrow, I'd like for it to have everything in Eurasia on the map; but in CK2, people (yes, me included) have invested a lot, reassured by the devs that it would have worked perfectly (I remember the "Rajas of India will not slow the game down, believe it!" reassurances, back then). We all know it didn't go well.
 
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I don't disagree with you - I just disagree with "it's ridiculous" being the prime reason to avoid it, and point out that performance is the real reason to avoid China. If CK3 was to be released tomorrow, I'd like for it to have everything in Eurasia on the map; but in CK2, people (yes, me included) have invested a lot, reassured by the devs that it would have worked perfectly (I remember the "Rajas of India will not slow the game down, believe it!" reassurances, back then). We all know it didn't go well.
Wise words.
 
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