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by the beginning of vicky timeline, slavery was being phased out indeed.

leave aside the fact that slavery in a noticeable scale hasnt been a reality in mainland europe. (apart from eastern europe, where serfs were almost slaves, but still technically not). spain outlawed slavery shortly after they started to settle in americas, but slavery continued like something resembling the serfdom in eastern europe. other european powers resorted to slave labor in colonies, but by the start of vic timeline it was already phased out in many south american countries as they gained independence.

slavery in middle east existed until 20th century. ottoman empire only outlawed slavery in 1889 in law, but even after that slavery continued as contraband.

it is said that in some parts of middle east, slavery still continues, since there is little outside authority to track powerful clan leaders, sheiks and so on.

harsh serfdom was abolished in 1861 in russia. up till this time you could say there was slavery there.

its a historical realism question after all.

however, looking from the historical timeline, we can say that at the start of vic timeline, no nation that was practising slavery was able to make a difference in regard to economics compared to liberal and free countries. even in usa the locomotive power of the country came from industrialized and free north and west. the very reason russia abolished serfdom was that they hoped they could turn serfs into small landowning citizens, and therefore kickstart a market economy.

so we can easily say that slave labor didnt provide the countries which practiced with any noticeable advantage.

I think in the previous Dev diaries, slavery was a law you can institute, but you, as the government cannot simply buy slaves.

government could buy slaves. in russia state owned serfs were emancipated in 1866, 5 years later than private owned ones.

it all depends on what you call a slave, and what you call a state.
 

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During vicky's time, Atlantic slave trade was outlawed, but what about the pacific slave trade?
Will that be modeled in any way?
 

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what i meant about "buying" slaves is that provinces where there are aristocrats in countries where slavery is allowed would get forced immigration of slaves(varying amount of immigrant according to size and cash reserves of aristocrats...)

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spain outlawed slavery shortly after they started to settle in americas, but slavery continued like something resembling the serfdom in eastern europe.
????
I guess the 100s of thousands of enslaved Africans that died working forcefully for the spaniards didn't know this.
I believe you are confusing the outlawing of the encomienda system with slavery. In parts like Peru the Spanish did have something similar to serfs with the mita system. But slavery(as in humans being property, bought and sold) was also a fact of life throughout the colonial period. Hell Cuba was the biggest freaking importer of african slaves in Spanish America, and spain was like the second largest importer behind the British.
Spain did not abolish slavery at home until 1811, and its Caribbean colonies had legal slavery until they ceased to be theirs.

Which brings me back to my question. Will the "coolie trade", the million or so asian(mainly chinese) so called "indenture servants" that were brought to Cuba, Peru and other parts of Latin America be modeled in anyway?
 

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Which brings me back to my question. Will the "coolie trade", the million or so asian(mainly chinese) so called "indenture servants" that were brought to Cuba, Peru and other parts of Latin America be modeled in anyway?

Globally, I think it was closer to 40 million in total over the length of the Vicky period, with most taken from India.

It was very important for the development of colonial economies all over the place, but I'm not really sure how it could be modeleld without adding a whole new game mechanic or changing the way immigration works.
 

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Globally, I think it was closer to 40 million in total over the length of the Vicky period, with most taken from India.

It was very important for the development of colonial economies all over the place, but I'm not really sure how it could be modeleld without adding a whole new game mechanic or changing the way immigration works.

I am not being funny or anything, but to be honest we have different prioirities with Victoria 2 than this. Political change, industralisation, you know minor things like that. With this statement I am going tolock this thread, it isn't going anywhere good.
 
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