PLC formation decision

[Shadoon4]

Does anybody know why the decision to form the PLC requires no more than one pu, I know that you inherit the other partner in the commonwealth if under pu (i.e. Poland inherits Lithuania in most cases) but why does it care if I say for example have a union with Austria on the side? there shouldn't be any issue with preventing the inheritance of the side pu (as is the often case with forming Spain which doesn't have the same requirement of no more than 1 pu)

 

[Markusmiless]

I would guess because while Spain was one country (title?) the PLC is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth so if I had to guess it is because otherwise the three union members would be Polish-Lithuanian-Third Union Member Commonwealth which wouldn't be the historical Commonwealth anymore?
But that is really the only thing I could think of on a short notice.

 

[Bouchart]

It's been like that for a long time. Nobody is certain why. It may be an artifact from early versions of the game.

 

[Shadoon4]

It's been like that for a long time. Nobody is certain why. It may be an artifact from early versions of the game.

Normally id agree with you however the form Spain decision has been adjusted to be possible with a neopolitan pu (as well as any others) and just inherit Aragon, further the decision was changed to allow the diplo version for Aragon recently as well as to not preclude the Lithuanians from using it without integrating Poland (as before it was required) so clearly there is an intentional decision to leave it in at least from my perspective

 

[Bouchart]

Normally id agree with you however the form Spain decision has been adjusted to be possible with a neopolitan pu (as well as any others) and just inherit Aragon, further the decision was changed to allow the diplo version for Aragon recently as well as to not preclude the Lithuanians from using it without integrating Poland (as before it was required) so clearly there is an intentional decision to leave it in at least from my perspective

You can form Sardinia-Piedmont with more than one PU too.

There's rarely a reason to rush forming the Commonwealth. Lithuania is not going to break free, being a historical friend, unless you do something stupid. Still, I remember one game where as Poland I got a random PU over Anhalt and that delayed the formation decision.

The real problem is that the AI will manually integrate Lithuania if they can't take the decision.

 

[Shadoon4]

You can form Sardinia-Piedmont with more than one PU too.

There's rarely a reason to rush forming the Commonwealth. Lithuania is not going to break free, being a historical friend, unless you do something stupid. Still, I remember one game where as Poland I got a random PU over Anhalt and that delayed the formation decision.

The real problem is that the AI will manually integrate Lithuania if they can't take the decision.

All of that is fine but I'd like to reiterate that it's a question of why is it like this not whether or not it causes specific problems (just curious about the design reason)

 

[Indigo Blue]

All of that is fine but I'd like to reiterate that it's a question of why is it like this not whether or not it causes specific problems (just curious about the design reason)

I think its to prevent early auto-annexation of a lot of provinces.

The thing you should notice is that any of the big formation decisions (spain/commonwealth/Great Britain) is that there is always a city/province limit. The biggest reason I think it to prevent abuse of Uber large union friends for coring purposes. i.e. reducing the initial size of the target PU/Vassal so as to maximize the instant auto-coring values.

 

[Shadoon4]

I think its to prevent early auto-annexation of a lot of provinces.

The thing you should notice is that any of the big formation decisions (spain/commonwealth/Great Britain) is that there is always a city/province limit. The biggest reason I think it to prevent abuse of Uber large union friends for coring purposes. i.e. reducing the initial size of the target PU/Vassal so as to maximize the instant auto-coring values.

Again this is specific to why other unions cant exist (for obv reasons there's a limit to the size of Lithuania), why can't I have a union with Austria and integrate Lithuania for free when Castile can have a union with Naples or France (or anyone else) and do the same thing with Aragon (with size restrictions for only Aragon)

 

[CraYen]

The real problem is that the AI will manually integrate Lithuania if they can't take the decision.

That was fixed patch or two ago

 

[Indigo Blue]

Again this is specific to why other unions cant exist (for obv reasons there's a limit to the size of Lithuania), why can't I have a union with Austria and integrate Lithuania for free when Castile can have a union with Naples or France (or anyone else) and do the same thing with Aragon (with size restrictions for only Aragon)

Cause...I think its legitimately more along the lines that historically done ones were free. Ahistorical ones are not. And it'd be hungary not lithuania in that instance.

 

[Shadoon4]

Cause...I think its legitimately more along the lines that historically done ones were free. Ahistorical ones are not. And it'd be hungary not lithuania in that instance.

Wth are you talking about?????? PLC formation decision integrates only Lithuania! Im very clearly saying why does it matter if I have a second union (THAT WILL NOT BE INTEGRATED) to get the free decision

 

[Indigo Blue]

Wth are you talking about?????? PLC formation decision integrates only Lithuania! Im very clearly saying why does it matter if I have a second union (THAT WILL NOT BE INTEGRATED) to get the free decision

Who knows. It might just be inconsistent programming

 

[Shadoon4]

Who knows. It might just be inconsistent programming

You guys are making me beat my head against a wall, no fault to you you're just trying to help but this is the same 3 answers each time.
1) Don't know
2) Leftover from earlier build/Inconsistencies in program
3) Doesn't answer the correct question/or misinterprets what I mean

 

[Sfan]

Well, probably because noone here is a dev so noone knows. There is, as you said, no reasonable explanation. Best thing to do is to tag a dev, to go to support section or something like that if you want a consistent answer.

 

[Shadoon4]

Well, probably because noone here is a dev so noone knows. There is, as you said, no reasonable explanation. Best thing to do is to tag a dev, to go to support section or something like that if you want a consistent answer.

I don't know how to do what you're saying I'm relatively inexperienced with this forum

 

[Sfan]

@Trin Tragula

 

[Trin Tragula]

This limitation predates my time here and nothing immediately comes to mind.
Will check with others on Monday and get back to you

 

[Casko]

This limitation predates my time here and nothing immediately comes to mind.
Will check with others on Monday and get back to you

could you also look at requirements to form PLC as well as both Poland and Brandenburg need Marineburg and Danzig for forming each other. and unless Poland eats TO completely they are unable to form PLC diplomatically. This making it so that its completely Either-Or situation if its Prussia or PLC forming.

 

[Shadoon4]

could you also look at requirements to form PLC as well as both Poland and Brandenburg need Marineburg and Danzig for forming each other. and unless Poland eats TO completely they are unable to form PLC diplomatically. This making it so that its completely Either-Or situation if its Prussia or PLC forming.

That's a requirement specifically for Brandenburg (or any of the non-TO states) because they aren't "Prussian" to begin with, the TO only needs to be protestant and control Konigsberg to reform into Prussia (as historically happened)

 

[Kapitalisti]

could you also look at requirements to form PLC as well as both Poland and Brandenburg need Marineburg and Danzig for forming each other. and unless Poland eats TO completely they are unable to form PLC diplomatically. This making it so that its completely Either-Or situation if its Prussia or PLC forming.

You don't need Danzig to form the kingdom of Prussia, I think it's either Danzig or Stolp. Now if you're someone other than the Teutons or Brandenburg, then you need Danzig. And forming the PLC requires Marienburg and Danzig from the knights so it's possible to have both form if Prussia is formed by either the Teutons or Brandenburg.