Playing through... WW1 to WW2

[21oliver]

Rut ro the grammar police have arrived!

 

[Axe99]

Rut ro the grammar police have arrived!

Grammar and meaning are actually two different things - call it the English (language) police instead, and you've been booked with a violation .

 

[21oliver]

 

[aruon]

the past 3 posts are in violation of intergalactic law. you've been warned. a deadly crack team of assassins are being assembled to bring about your demise (demises?). soon, Pope Francis, Darth Vader, Forrest Gump, Mel Gibson, and Robocop will been dispatched to your domiciles to destroy you. enjoy your futile existences lives

 

[jju_57]

Hey I'm arbitrary!!!

I still say he needs to learn to mod if he wants to play with himself.

 

[vonhavoc]

Hey I'm arbitrary!!!

I still say he needs to learn to mod if he wants to play with himself.

And you should have read what he actually wrote before going on a rampage.

On topic.. I'm pretty sure the WW1 mod will be made available for HoI4 as well. It'll just take some time to get to feast on that. No idea though, if they ever could make such a massive project that spans both of the world wars. Would the game mechanics even support that? World war generally lasts to the bitter end in this franchise.

 

[Mamluke]

Hey I'm arbitrary!!!

I still say he needs to learn to mod if he wants to play with himself.

ho my!

 

[jju_57]

Since reading comprehension and memory are so lacking here are the various posts:

Well, actually, Italy as well to an extent... If I remember correctly the 1933 date has u starting with 30% dissent (which takes forever to lower). 1936 start date isnt much better, as those 3 years are bearly enough to upgrade outdated division - hence you don't actually get to raise more than a couple extra divisions before it all goes BOOM!

So it's clear he's made that the conditions at the start of war are not good enough for him.

I do not want HOI4 to let you play some minor and do a world conquest. That is fantasyland.

you guys dont get my point - or may be I didnt explain myself well! Ofc all countries are playable... What bugs me is having to enter the conflict with the exact same units I begin with - because the countries I tend to play with have very outdated divisions that take ages to update. Also... given the time, is building IC even worthwhile? I'd really much like a scenario that gave you the possibility to beef up whichever country you are playing a bit ?

So he explains once again he doesn't like the starting armies, the IC and the limited capabilities of some countries.

You can do that by modifying the save or starting files for the country you want to play. Want more IC, give it to yourself. Want more leadership change it. Want more money, presto add it. Problem solved.

Just don't expect the rest of us to have to play a game where country X is ahistorical because you wanted to make an empire with it.

My response is 100% logical. If he doesn't like it then change it. But why should any of us have to play the game the way he wants it to be or the way I might want it to be. that was one big reason behind CGM. Remember that???

LOL... not sure if you dont read English or u r just trolling. I dont feel the need to reply to that.
Muppet.

So because he can't respond to a logical solution he tries to claim it was trolling and then starts to attack.

I've been around these boards for way longer and yes, most of us don't want to play a game that just fits your desires anymore then you would want to play a game that fits my desires and wants.

Bottom line is if you don't like it then change or mod it.

And Snozzle go play with your sock puppet or learn to mod.

Once again I tell him that his desires are not mine. Mod it if he wants something different. And if he doesn't want to mod it then go do something else/

-.-'

...r u for real? if so, u r too funny man!!!

I <3 how you arbitrarily decide that what you want is what most players want!

As for your suggestion... I would be happy to play with a puppet. Just come over when you'r free! :rofl:

And you should have read what he actually wrote before going on a rampage..

So maybe you need to read it again. I know exactly what I wrote and responded to.

But from your comment I take it that just me saying you should mod the game to your liking is a rampage? CGM is a rampage? What gives him, you or me the right to dictate how any country should be in the game when there are so many tools available to play the EXACT game that we want to play.

There are hundreds of things PI did that I don't like or agree with. Should I force you and all others to have to change to fit with my complaints? Hell no. And no one should be forced to play a game based on yours or his complaints. PI makes the call. And they have said many times if you don't like it then change it.

 

[vonhavoc]

So maybe you need to read it again. I know exactly what I wrote and responded to.

To me it seemed like he was critisizing the usefulness of that 1933 scenario as there is no real improvement in freedom over the 1936 start, and in fact in some cases you would be even worse off than starting in 1936. Of course the reasons for this could be something else than the starting dissent.

I never saw him promoting Albanian world conquest (although I've seen it done), just more possibility to direct the country as one would like. After all, no one says that the way it was done historically was the most efficient way, especially if the aspirations of the player are different, more malicious even. As some countries it's a bit of a pain to produce anything meaningful after the consumer goods need is met.

And sticking too hard to a sentence said at the start of a long discussion can be a bit fatal. The discussion is a living thing, and opinnions evolve as a result. At least in some cases.

 

[jju_57]

But it still boils down to this. Even if you don't want WC as a goal but instead want a regional empire or even to last 6 more months the way to do it is to mod it.

You can change almost anything your heart desires to whatever level you desire. And my point is simple. Things other people want are MAYBE things I or someone else doesn't want. And things I might demand are things others would oppose till their dying breath.

This was one major reason why PI created the whole CGM. They got tired of OOB's and other staring stuff so they gave us the capability to change it. And it's really easy to even change the starting point that CGM is based on.

 

[Dalwin]

On topic.. I'm pretty sure the WW1 mod will be made available for HoI4 as well. It'll just take some time to get to feast on that. No idea though, if they ever could make such a massive project that spans both of the world wars. Would the game mechanics even support that? World war generally lasts to the bitter end in this franchise.

I would like to see PDS develop a game similar to HOI specifically for WWI. This would be much better than a mod, since many of the core concepts should be redesigned from the ground up. The two wars were that different as were the mentalities of the nations involved.

I am not sure that we will ever see such a product, however, since PI is also distributor for AGEOD's WWI game.

 

[Snozzle91]

To me it seemed like he was critisizing the usefulness of that 1933 scenario as there is no real improvement in freedom over the 1936 start, and in fact in some cases you would be even worse off than starting in 1936. Of course the reasons for this could be something else than the starting dissent.

I never saw him promoting Albanian world conquest (although I've seen it done), just more possibility to direct the country as one would like. After all, no one says that the way it was done historically was the most efficient way, especially if the aspirations of the player are different, more malicious even. As some countries it's a bit of a pain to produce anything meaningful after the consumer goods need is met.

And sticking too hard to a sentence said at the start of a long discussion can be a bit fatal. The discussion is a living thing, and opinnions evolve as a result. At least in some cases.

THANK YOU! ...u r perfectly on point. :happy:

 

[jju_57]

I would like to see PDS develop a game similar to HOI specifically for WWI. This would be much better than a mod, since many of the core concepts should be redesigned from the ground up. The two wars were that different as were the mentalities of the nations involved.

I am not sure that we will ever see such a product, however, since PI is also distributor for AGEOD's WWI game.

Johan has said more than once no to any WW1 game coming from PDS.

 

[21oliver]

Too bad, i would be interested.

 

[Dalwin]

Johan has said more than once no to any WW1 game coming from PDS.

This does not surprise me. Thanks for the confirmation.

I'm really not a big fan of mods. It is not that the modders are not talented and dedicated or that they do not produce some good stuff. It is rather that any designer has a gaming philosphy, an agenda if you will. I am more comfortable with the PDS agenda, and the biases introduced by it, because I am relatively familiar with them compared to some guy who I know nothing about.