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aim is to create a mediterranean, though not sure if to pick diplomacy as my first idea or expansion. then for the adm idea i could go with religion or innovative. i ask for some help please.
 

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aim is to create a mediterranean, though not sure if to pick diplomacy as my first idea or expansion. then for the adm idea i could go with religion or innovative. i ask for some help please.

Don't take expansion with the Ottomans as your first idea, I'll take diplo, and for admin religious or administrative.

What about army ideas?

Are you gonna westernize fast?
 

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Pick diplomacy. That extra diplomat is golden. Go for a military idea second, such as offensive. For your admin you're going to need Religious if you want to conquer the Med. Don't westernise fast, your troops are better for quite a long time.
 

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Yes, diplomacy is excellent. The halved time on claim fabrication, extra diplo slots, extra diplomat, and diplo reputation are all phenomenal for speeding up expansion.

Religious is not strictly necessary as the Ottomans, but it is definitely going to be handy for converting high base tax provinces and Rome. Innovative is very nice, but in subtle ways.
 

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thanks for the help to all of you , went with diplomacy and offensive to begin with as this isn't a WC (i'm not good enough for that) and taking one small goal at a time.
 

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Just make sure you still pick Expansion relatively early; the free CB is very nice. I know you said you wanted to go mostly Mediterranean, but taking large chunks of Asia can help give you money and manpower (and let you continue to expand even as you are waiting for AE to burn off in Europe). Don't forget that before you westernize, you'll still be able to vassalize Asian nations, so use that to your advantage. The extra diplomatic relations will be helpful as well, for that reason. You'll even probably get some use out of the colonist (small Indian Ocean Islands and maybe some African provinces).