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Sunday I started a MP game and we played for about 20 years (game time;) ). I was OE, and started the usual way with annexing the three small muslim countrys that borders OE and Greece and Byzan. The problem is, even after I got the 'move capital to Istabul' event that many provinces (I think seven) are ortodox which makes stability increases costly.
So where should I go now? Is 15-20 years of saving money and converting provinces in europa the right way? Or should I start looking at the Mamelucks instead?
 

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This thread should be moved to the MP action forum :)

As to your question, how about doing both? It isn't all that expensive to conquer the Mamelukes, and the wealth gained is substantial with a minimal increase to stability costs.
 

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Other CoT is always handy :)

And another possibility (easier) is grab the Armenian goldmine

However I know i´m a greedy bast**** :D
 

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Galadriel... (oops! Edit...Didn't notice this was MP...sorry!)

I do NOT take the 3 Muslim neighbors, only Karaman's two provinces. Teke can easily be allied with and absorbed peacefully later. Karaman, once down to a single province, will sometimes be annexed by another power (from whom I can take it with far less BB cost because they bear my CB shields).

The 3rd nation (whose name escapes me) might be taken by Trabzon or Byzantium early, saving me, again, the BB cost. If not, it also can be peacefully annexed later. Neither it nor Teke obstructs expansion so why hurry and carry the baggage of BB for them?

Leave Sivas alone and Ak Koyonlu will annex them. When the time is ripe, Ak Koyonlu will fall to the OE, too.

Instead, I pick off the non-Muslim provinces/nations with my CB shields in Europe. Key, of course, is Byzantium. Once they've fallen, Venice is good early as they have many lucrative island holdings and usually haven't formed much in alliances. Once you have those islands you've created a sea wall of friendly ports and seas that enhance security and inhibit invasions.

When I'm sated in Europe Trabzon falls next, if it still exists, and trimming bits of Georgia (it often attracts rebellious provinces of the Horde).

After those, THEN I turn to the Mamelukes. They rarely get more than one religious conversion completed by this time.

Limiting BB by taking from non-Muslim countries enables you to be prepared for fortuitous circumstances (eg: Serbia swallows Bosnia, you DOW Serbia and take Bosnia and Serbia eats the BB for military annexation of a country) and continue war-making against countries distracted by too many wars, or those that just lost a war and paid out large reparations.

I build tax collectors in all provinces and commence immediate conversion, thereafter. Some OE leaders are better than others for conversion so you might consider waiting for a good leader and, when very fortunate, an excellent minister event.
 
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I mostly get in an alliance with ak koyunlu first thing. They are great ally to have especially in your early years. in the 1400s and even early 1500s you may find yourelf fighting wars on multiple fronts. I've had games where I've been at war with Austria, Hungary, Georgia, Poland, Lithuania, Mamelukes, Hedjaz, and Qara Koyunlu all at the same time! Keep in mind this is only with a tarnished rep, so its not BB war really and many of them didnt have a cb on me at the time. In your early years you may not have the manpower or funds to deal with them all by yourself, so The Ak can really help hold them off while you deal with each indivdiually. Anything they take can be taken back eventually at small BB cost and I've also noticed that they are very good about converting provinces and they tend to convert nussaybin(shiite and kurdish) alot and having 4 religions in your empire is never easy, so I mostly let them hang around until I can protect myself against multiple foes easily or if they are not helping me enough to convince me to let them live.
 

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Chilliwilli....

I like the idea but early on there's the problem of getting into Ak Koyonlu's alliance. I found that they don't accept me into their alliance.