Playing Japan – still lack of resources

[JiM_cz]

I am playing Japan (1936) and although I’ve conquered many other countries I have still problem with lack of resources (oil, energy). I have China (now it’s my puppet), India, Persie and practically all Asia gains from France, England, Holland, and Australia.

My consumption of oil and supply is enormous and I doubt that it is normal. In production list there I can see that my loss is approximately – 500 every day. I think that my army isn’t so big to justify such big consumption. I guess that there must be a problem with convoy system or local deposit on other continents.

My army is:
100 infantry
30 mot inf.
24 tanks
40 airplanes
200 u-bots

Any advices how to survive in such situation?

 

[unmerged(52692)]

Supply consumption is easy to counteract with IC, and I doubt yours is unusual.

For oil, it's clearly the motorized infantry and tanks. Japan doesn't really have that much oil, even when it conquers Asia, so it's usually better to stick to a more infantry based army.

If you're really determined not to get rid of your fancy machines, go conquer Texas.

 

[Comrade Kalle]

For oil, it's clearly the motorized infantry and tanks. Japan doesn't really have that much oil, even when it conquers Asia, so it's usually better to stick to a more infantry based army.

I have some pictures here that I want to show... I loaded a game as Soviet Union (DD, latest patch) and put ALL my troops and airplanes in movement... I have the following:

(as usual I forgot to copy the field where it shows what kind of division it is... but there's 500 something infantry, some mech, some motorized, tanks, 10-12 mountaineers and 1 hq. the garrison troops (200-something) aren't moved.
all aircrafts were rebased into Sibiria ^^

now let's have a look at my oil usage.

and here's supply:

I haven't touched my navy though...
but what I want to show is that losing 500 oil/day as Japan can't be because of the military... especially not when I have much larger military, more airplanes, and haven't let my navy leave it's harbor (the navy is about 200 ships in total)

:rofl:

 

[Klavo Hunter]

He has *24* tank divisions. No wonder he's sucking so much oil at once.

 

[blue emu]

With 13 Tanks, Russia is using ~430 Oil per day. With 24 Tanks, Japan would be using even more per day.

Remember that a single Tank Division uses as much Oil as an entire Army of '43 Infantry... and as much TC.

Russia makes far more Oil in a day... from RGOs and Synthetic Oil conversion... than Japan does. Russia probably makes more in a day than Japan does in a week.

 

[Comrade Kalle]

With 13 Tanks, Russia is using ~430 Oil per day. With 24 Tanks, Japan would be using even more per day.

Yes but remember that I have 70 airplanes, compared to his 40, and about 200 boats that I am not even moving...
then I have 28 motorized divisions, and 12 mechanized, as well as those 13 tanks... and don't forget that HQ

 

[USAF_777]

Plus Japan has to ship stuff overseas...one thing to try if you want to keep it all is to put the whole ground army under Logistics Wizard leaders, though it'll only help when they're not moving.

 

[Pro_Consul]

Presumably Japan also has a large navy consuming quite a bit of oil, while Russia's two tugboats and an antique yacht, err I mean the great Soviet Fleet!, don't use much at all.

One more thing to check, do you have any depots with large oil stockpiles that aren't being convoyed back to the home islands? This is a common pitfall for Japan.

 

[Acheron]

If I rememebr correctly, tank (and other ground units) use ALWAYS oil, while aircrafts use oil only when doing soemthing.

As Japan, you shouldn't even bother developing tanks. In HOI2, there is too much to reserach for anyone, and you have to skip some stuff, for Japan, this is obviously the mechanized stuff.

I remember giving my one and only tank commander leader a garrisson to lead :rofl:

 

[Comrade Kalle]

Presumably Japan also has a large navy consuming quite a bit of oil, while Russia's two tugboats and an antique yacht, err I mean the great Soviet Fleet!, don't use much at all.

I said I have about 200 ships... not 3

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Any advices how to survive in such situation?

If you consume all that oil while your troops are not moving, check your convoys. I had an strange bug as DR, that caused ~250 oil and ~400 supply being shipped to the azores DAILY...

Otherwise: Disband your Tanks and Mots and build a Mountaineer/Eng Force or something like that

 

[Gen.Schuermann]

i believe it's partly due to a bug in the convoy system...
On one occasion (and my army was MUCH weaker, no tanks) i lost 600+ oil a day for 1 year. gone that nice stockpile of 50k+ oil

 

[unmerged(47103)]

i believe it's partly due to a bug in the convoy system...
On one occasion (and my army was MUCH weaker, no tanks) i lost 600+ oil a day for 1 year. gone that nice stockpile of 50k+ oil

As Japan, I turn off the auto-convoys. That way I can bring things back home from the crazy stockpiles throughout the Pacific, and ensure I'm only moving what I want where I want it.

 

[JiM_cz]

Thanks for your advices and remarks to all of you.

So it seems that it’s not a bug, but that’s just like the game is – real simulation.

Practically all my army is moving or even fighting. Fleets (mainly u-bots), and navy airplanes on the east with Americans, the rest on the west with German. That’s also the reason why I cannot get rid of mechanize units – I need them against German panzers.

Ill try to lower activity some part of my army and I will see if situation will be better. (But I doubt that I will be able to face German army...)

 

[unmerged(18513)]

I remember correctly there are also some interesting trade deals set as a starter that makes you give away quite a lot of energy.

The oil answers all match though, I get around with 12 tank divisions and still have major problems in keeping my oil running.

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Practically all my army is moving or even fighting. Fleets (mainly u-bots), and navy airplanes on the east with Americans, the rest on the west with German. That’s also the reason why I cannot get rid of mechanize units – I need them against German panzers.

You can build Inf with AT brigades...
Or even more evil: Militia

 

[AlanC9]

Practically all my army is moving or even fighting. Fleets (mainly u-bots), and navy airplanes on the east with Americans, the rest on the west with German. That’s also the reason why I cannot get rid of mechanize units – I need them against German panzers.

Wait a sec .... you somehow managed to get into a war with both Germany and the USA at the same time?