Playing GiEs... No supply, fuel or possibility to trade...

[juv95hrn]

Is this a bug?

France has lost continental France to Germany. (Vichy didn't trigger). France can't trade with any nation, there is no option in the diplo menu. Other nations have the same problem, there is no diplo option to trade with France.

When supplies are produced they seem to go into the supply system on map but no surplus can be accumulated in the supply pool in the top resource bar. It's the same with fuel.

Is is a bug or does it have something to do with the GiE/Vichy situation?

 

[Natiff]

you can play a puppet nation and i think that it is the same rules for them. At least you can't trade and all surplus goes to your master nation. I can't recommend playing such a nation as it is the epitome of boring.

 

[eqqman]

The thing that really annoyed me is the effect France has to limit their manpower... that only goes away if they become GiE, then comes right back if they get liberated! You would think after liberation the French people would be a little bit more supportive!

 

[juv95hrn]

you can play a puppet nation and i think that it is the same rules for them. At least you can't trade and all surplus goes to your master nation. I can't recommend playing such a nation as it is the epitome of boring.

Who said anything about a puppet nation?

 

[nightraid3r]

out of curiousity, for what purpose are you playing a GiE?

For whatever reason, I think its a good way to do it. The french certainly did not set up base in Africa and go hmmmm lets see how we can stockpile resources. Most notable frenchmen were in london, and were not very concerned with the colonies after the loss of the continental portion.

 

[Jorlaan]

You kidding? Free French forces continued fighting throughout the whole war. There were several thousand under the comand of Charles de Gaulle and they fought in many battles all over Europe, Africa and the middle east. They liberated many Vichy French colonies along with allied help. Check your history.

 

[Broomstick]

Is this a bug?

France has lost continental France to Germany. (Vichy didn't trigger). France can't trade with any nation, there is no option in the diplo menu. Other nations have the same problem, there is no diplo option to trade with France.

When supplies are produced they seem to go into the supply system on map but no surplus can be accumulated in the supply pool in the top resource bar. It's the same with fuel.

Is is a bug or does it have something to do with the GiE/Vichy situation?

It's not a only France/Vichy thing.
Happened with my Netherlands game too. I think its very annoying, since both France and the Netherlands continued to fight after they lost their homeland...
Afaik its not a bug.

 

[Natiff]

Who said anything about a puppet nation?

if you read the complete sentence i stated that i THINK the game mechanics apply to either of them. Nations that are puppets and the ones that are GiE. Nothing more. If it can be considered a bug, i don't know and actually don't care at all.

 

[Mini$mith]

Sorry to hijack, but does your units get dispanded when you go GiE? Or can you evacuate your troops, navy and airforce to an allied country just before the surrender, and keep fighting?

 

[juv95hrn]

out of curiousity, for what purpose are you playing a GiE?

For whatever reason, I think its a good way to do it. The french certainly did not set up base in Africa and go hmmmm lets see how we can stockpile resources. Most notable frenchmen were in london, and were not very concerned with the colonies after the loss of the continental portion.

Its from an MP game where the player playing France had this problem after Paris fell, continental France was all of a sudden occupied by Germany and the capital moved to Indochina.

 

[nightraid3r]

Its from an MP game where the player playing France had this problem after Paris fell, continental France was all of a sudden occupied by Germany and the capital moved to Indochina.

so why doesn't the french player switch to another nation as is customary in MP?

 

[unmerged(382166)]

Sorry to hijack, but does your units get dispanded when you go GiE? Or can you evacuate your troops, navy and airforce to an allied country just before the surrender, and keep fighting?

Units doesn´t disband, but as you can´t produce any supplies or fuel, they are a bit hard to use. You can operate out of an allied country though. well as long as the ally have enough supplies at least

I have tried evacuating my army playing as the french and using it from UK - it is doable..just a bit boring and in the end I ended up turning them over to UK as expedition forces. It is just a shame that you can´t use any of the industries you have and that you can´t liberate/conquer any territory.

 

[juv95hrn]

so why doesn't the french player switch to another nation as is customary in MP?

Not that it matters for the question if this is a bug or not but the player of France will move over to the USA eventually. The Axis seem to think that february 1940 is s bit too early. But this thread deals with the playability of GiEs.

And yeah, I noticed that too. Even if France has quite substantial IC at its disposal you don't seem to be able to build anything. Is that WAD too? I must say that I feel GiEs are a bit too nerfed if this is the case. I don't quite see the reason for them not being able to function like a normal nation even after being ousted from their original territory. This would describe the function of the Free French forces better. Otoh the devs might be afraid of making attractive to evacuate the entire French armed forces from the continent even before the war starts.

And about production of supply and fuel. They seem to be produced and entered into the supply system so that your territories are in supply on a daily basis but you can't stock up on any surplus in the off map pool shown at the top of the screen. Still don't understand why units in the construction queue won't build...

 

[eqqman]

Otoh the devs might be afraid of making attractive to evacuate the entire French armed forces from the continent even before the war starts.

I'm not exactly sure why that would be an attractive option ever. Germany then gets France for free, and the French are sitting in Africa with a big army and no ICs to support it. Of course, that army could be turned over to Britain, but now you're back in the same situation of having a French player with nothing to do.

 

[juv95hrn]

If you freely could support these forces you would not lose any troops when Germany invaded (which you will do against a skilled German player when you defend the homelands). It would be really hard for Germany to invade USSR with both the UK and the entire French Army ready to invade. Of course this is a very gamey strategy and the decision to not give GiEs full supply potential might have something to do with preventing this.

The French player could turn over his forces to the UK and then move on to play the USA in an MP game.

 

[Mini$mith]

The French player could turn over his forces to the UK and then move on to play the USA in an MP game.

Should be pretty easy to prevent with some game-rules, given that it's such an obvious exploit. No need to let it impact the single-player experience imho. Given the new partisan aspect of the game, I really looked forward to the possibility of playing a GiE, using the remnants of my army and underground resistance cells to liberate my country when the time came. But I guess that doesn't work out in game.