Playing as Denmark

[ACrusader]

I have what is probably gonna be a simple questions, LOL I'm playing as Denmark currently and want to annex Sweden. If my other games as other countries, Denmark ALWAYS annexes Sweden by the 1560's yet I'm unable to do this. Can any of you give advice on this?

Thanks for your help

Matt

 

[PatMaster]

Did you put weden as a major country in your Game maybe ?

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by ACrusader
I have what is probably gonna be a simple questions, LOL I'm playing as Denmark currently and want to annex Sweden. If my other games as other countries, Denmark ALWAYS annexes Sweden by the 1560's yet I'm unable to do this. Can any of you give advice on this?

Thanks for your help

Matt

In my IGC games Denmark never annex Sweden, and usually end up getting thrashed...

 

[dralizaar]

there are several requirements...maintaining the vassalization, gettign 190+ relations of course..also being same religion...but also size..you have to have more provinces than the nation you annex diplo wise <unelss dynastical inheritiance> if you mean by war... its tough the high attrition low supply ratings of swedish provinces are far worse then russia will ever be...i started a game where i built max troops to start and dowed sweden with my first diplomate..3 years later i got 2 provinces to show for it..and 16k troops left in my name total..its rough going and slow but can be done..every 8 years take 2 more provs..till all she has left is the capitol and the 2 level 3 forst lands...then work on diplo annexing her its cheaper than trying to level those forts

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by ACrusader
I have what is probably gonna be a simple questions, LOL I'm playing as Denmark currently and want to annex Sweden. If my other games as other countries, Denmark ALWAYS annexes Sweden by the 1560's yet I'm unable to do this. Can any of you give advice on this?

Thanks for your help

Matt

GC or IGC, I've never seen either annexed by the other-but Sweden normally takes a couple of Danish provinces.

Do it militarily-you're a little small vis-a-vis Sweden for the diplo-annexation route to have a high success rate.

 

[Jacob]

I usually play Denmark and my strategy towards my brother Swedes is to diplo-annex them. They already start off as your vassals so all you have to do is bring your relationship from -200 to +190....

This, of course, isn't cheap... but it seems to me that they put most of the money into infrastructure anyways (at least on the levels of difficulty I play), so you get it back in the end. It worked for me in my first GC.

A word of caution though... I was playing as Denmark again (having fixed the explorer/conquistador thing so I'd be able to explore the world a bit) and I was pursuing the diplo-annex-Sweden strategy. As our relationship reached the +170'ies, the vassalization expired or was cancelled or something, which set everything back a fair bit as I'd have to ally with them then vassalize them again. That happened in 1522, I think... so, if you're gonna do it, do it quickly.

Jacob

 

[PatMaster]

Well, the vassalship of Sweden goes away in the same year that Gustavus Wasa was coronated Swedish king after kicking some seroius Danish ass

 

[The Danish King]

We all know that Sweden got its ass kicked up till the seige of Copenhagen in 1600-something.

 

[ACrusader]

Thanks

THanks for all your responses

Yes Sweden is annexable in my game. I got them up above the 190's...just no luck annexing them. Maybe I'll go the military route. As Sweden, I Take the military route and have Denmark completely annexed within 2 or 3 wars, LOL

How quickly do you guys attck norhtern Europe when you play as Denmark?

Matt

 

[unmerged(4868)]

Originally posted by Jacob
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A word of caution though... I was playing as Denmark again (having fixed the explorer/conquistador thing so I'd be able to explore the world a bit) and I was pursuing the diplo-annex-Sweden strategy. As our relationship reached the +170'ies, the vassalization expired or was cancelled or something, which set everything back a fair bit as I'd have to ally with them then vassalize them again. That happened in 1522, I think... so, if you're gonna do it, do it quickly.
Jacob

They start out as Denmark vassal. But they will cancel the vassalization in about 10 years, you will know this when it says "Our royal marriage with Sweden has expired". As soon as that message appears, the vassalization is over.

Next problem. You try to vassalize them again around 1510-1520? No, this is a bad idea. Because in a few years, either you or Sweden will convert to Protestant.

As soon as one of you converts to Protestant, vassalization will break, your diplo-relations go down again dramatically.

Now you are back to square one.

Best advice for maximum success: try to vassalize Sweden AFTER the Reformation, after both you and Sweden have already turned Protestant.

This way, you can be sure that your vassalization will stay no matter what. All you have to do is to keep your relations high...

 

[unmerged(4763)]

Originally posted by ACrusader
How quickly do you guys attck norhtern Europe when you play as Denmark?

As Denmark, the first thing I did was to attack and annex the Hanseatic League as soon as I had enough troops. I build up two or three armies of 20k or something (I don't remember) and then I went south to kick some German ass before they allied with anyone.

 

[unmerged(4868)]

Originally posted by VingTor


As Denmark, the first thing I did was to attack and annex the Hanseatic League as soon as I had enough troops. I build up two or three armies of 20k or something (I don't remember) and then I went south to kick some German ass before they allied with anyone.

Yes, this is the important point. You must destroy the League *before* they can ally with anyone. Once they ally, they will almost always ally with countries like Portugal, Holstein, Pommerania, and sometimes Prussia and Teutonic Order. Fighting this alliance is extremely dangerous, since most of them can build large fleets to invade Denmark.

 

[unmerged(5456)]

Originally posted by The Danish King
We all know that Sweden got its ass kicked up till the seige of Copenhagen in 1600-something.

But then Charles XII landed on (In 1700) Sjealand and kicked some major butt!

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by Suleyman
Next problem. You try to vassalize them again around 1510-1520? No, this is a bad idea. Because in a few years, either you or Sweden will convert to Protestant.

As soon as one of you converts to Protestant, vassalization will break, your diplo-relations go down again dramatically.

Actually, there's a good chance the vassalisation will survive (I've converted as Prussia and kept my vassalised Teutonics.) The same is true if their conversion is too your religion. This, of course, creates a good annexation chance, as their stability has just gone down the toilet!

 

[BiB]

One can easily "cheat" past conversions in diplo matters by simply being at war. And after one has converted the next ones aren't a problem anymore.

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by BiB
One can easily "cheat" past conversions in diplo matters by simply being at war. And after one has converted the next ones aren't a problem anymore.

It's not a cheat-although it is always what I do these days! (January 1, declare war, January 1, convert)

But I wasn't at war with the example I gave-unlike royal marriages vassalisations can survive conversion, apparently. Maybe it has something to do with the relationship level?

 

[BiB]

Cheat

Making other countries, alliance members, just not notice u just change ur religion to the evil kind just isn't real or right

 

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by carlous-rex


But then Charles XII landed on (In 1700) Sjealand and kicked some major butt!

Hello, seems as if I'm a bit schizo now.

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by BiB
Cheat

Making other countries, alliance members, just not notice u just change ur religion to the evil kind just isn't real or right

Well, normally they're all going to do it to, I'm just jumping in first-and the AI does it enough times-well, on the furious settings anyway!

But now i have to try and think of a historical example to support my position, eh? Must get back to you on that.

 

[BiB]

Even if u find a historical example it's till a fault in the game engine and thus should not be exploited! Them beta testers better get those out this time