Player becoming Vassal to AI

[unmerged(17277)]

In EU2, if I understand correctly, it is never a good idea to become the vassal of another nation.

This has always bothered me. Nations became each others' vassals during this time period. It happened. There must have been a rationale. And if there was a rationale, then in a game like this, the same (or game-analogous) rationale should sometimes apply--it should sometimes be the best decision for a player to become a vassal.

Does anyone know if EU3 will address this issue?

It may be I'm the only one who thinks this. People may shrink at the notion of becoming a vassal. But I think if the game could be engineered such that sometimes this is the best thing to do, then this would serve to make the game more realistic, and would also serve gameplay in that a new bit of drama will have been added into the mix for the player.

Anyone? Anyone?

-Kris

 

[joriandrake]

being vassal should have also its advancements as in CK

 

[Jolt]

Making an obligation to the Lord Nation to protect it's vassal if it's vassal is declared war upon by another country, might be a good boon.

 

[kolmy]

If a country become vassal of other is because he wants protection, or is forced to be it (force-vassalization).

 

[unmerged(2456)]

Or because he fears being outright annexed in a war by the nation that they become a vassal of.

 

[Gebhard Blucher]

A long time ago I played a game as Genoa. My ultimate goal was to go reformed religion and colonize, without expanding any in Europe. I let my greek provinces of Kerch and Kaffa revolt away, so I was left with just Liguria and Corsica. Because I was so vulnerable, I stayed VERY friendly with France. Eventually France asked me to become its vassal and I accepted. I spent over 100 years as a french vassal in that game. It was a good relationship as far as I was concerned, and it helped keep me safe.

My only complaint was that because I wasn't an AI country, the burden of keeping relations up with france was all mine.

 

[Jayavarman]

Hopefully, the AI will be improved to suit this.

 

[SirGrotius]

I like the idea. It was implemented well in CK, where you could be a vassal but still could withhold dues if you wanted to be an ass and then your Liege would have a CB on you. It lent an air of tension to the arrangement, which was more workable than in EUII where vassalage basically meant you were going to be permanently bankrupt and sucking.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

I like the idea. It was implemented well in CK, where you could be a vassal but still could withhold dues if you wanted to be an ass and then your Liege would have a CB on you. It lent an air of tension to the arrangement, which was more workable than in EUII where vassalage basically meant you were going to be permanently bankrupt and sucking.

Well they did other bad things to vassals...such as autoforcing peace for everyone, reguardless of your realm law your liege has.

 

[EvilSanta]

In CK beeing vassal is useful.Maybe if vassal has been attacked liege is automatically war with attacked.If liege refuses to help vassal,vassal breaks away and liege gets severe penalties.Beeing vassal is afterall getting protection.

 

[unmerged(37697)]

I like the idea. There should both pros and cons to things like this, not just cons

Being a vassal of France, Spain, Austria or England, etc, should have its uses - not least in terms of being part of a major alliance block to keep you safe.

If your master is being annihilated in a major war, and you know that you have the advantage, you should be able to not just support your master, but if you so wish, break your vassalage and get some land off them in a peace deal after you've defeated them in a good old knees up (war)

I'm loving the Personal Union idea as well. Can't wait to see how that is implemented.

 

[jmschaub]

Ideally you could depend on your mother nation to see to your defences. This would allow you to save all that defence budget for other things. But unless they're neighbors of you someone could annex you before help could even arrive.

 

[joriandrake]

I would like to see two things, both in EU3 included:

vassal states AND puppet states
(not meaning they have to be the same nation, doh that should be possible)

 

[Mike of NW8]

A beefed-up vassal system could also provide a basis to stop all that excess annexing that tends to go on.

 

[unmerged(20077)]

There really should be more than one type of vassalage. Ottoman vassals were more tightly controlled than, for instance, Irish vassals of the King of England (until Henry VIII) or Genoa when it was a client state of Spain.

 

[Andrelvis]

There really should be more than one type of vassalage. Ottoman vassals were more tightly controlled than, for instance, Irish vassals of the King of England (until Henry VIII) or Genoa when it was a client state of Spain.

Or maybe more options in the vassalage for both the liege and the vassal.

 

[Tunch Khan]

If your master is being annihilated in a major war, and you know that you have the advantage, you should be able to not just support your master, but if you so wish, break your vassalage and get some land off them in a peace deal after you've defeated them in a good old knees up (war)

You disloyal scum! How dare you even mention betraying your lord, which has been nothing but a father to your nation all this time... It can't be true.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

In CK beeing vassal is useful.Maybe if vassal has been attacked liege is automatically war with attacked.If liege refuses to help vassal,vassal breaks away and liege gets severe penalties.Beeing vassal is afterall getting protection.

Unless your liege decides he wants your territories for his own sons.