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So I can't delay my deepest regrets any longer...

It's like this, in the September, I went on vacation, and when I returned, my computer suddenly decided to die. Over a month I tried everything possible and impossible to at least to get data from hard drive, but it seems everything went straight to Silicon Heaven. Back up didn't work either.



But I will continue this thing anyway, although now a more as regular alt history fiction than AAR.
this is the worst news of the day
 

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It's still possible I'll recover the data - or I will at least create dummy acceptall-made maps for story.

But to write all the events, to find all pictures and flags I just added in summer - again? I highly doubt that.
 

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It's still possible I'll recover the data - or I will at least create dummy acceptall-made maps for story.

But to write all the events, to find all pictures and flags I just added in summer - again? I highly doubt that.
Honestly acceptall maps would be fine with me, possibly alongside war gameplay, with more detailed lore relegated to AAR text.
 

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That's horrible, sorry to hear that.
 

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"The seditious rebels claim that we are the rulers of Manchuria and only later conquered central China to become its rulers. Their prejudices concerning the division of their and our country have caused many vitriolic falsehoods. What these rebels have not understood is the fact that Manchuria is for the Manchus the same as the birthplace is for the people of the central plain. Shun belonged to the Eastern Yi, and King Wen to the Western Yi. Does this fact diminish their virtues?"
- Yongzheng Emperor, 1735

When the Qing Empire fell in 1911, it wasn't because of foreign conquest or revolution - although the latter is the claim of Chinese Social Revolutionary Party, formed in 1927. It's absolute inability to push through any meaningful reforms was the cause. And there were several linked reasons. First of all, Manchus leading the Dynasty refused to share any power with overwhelmingly Han Chinese elites. Even Yuan Shikai, the commander of most powerful military force in China, the Beiyang Army, wasn't considered worthy of political power in the imperial court. The murder of Guangxu Emperor who tried to push through desperately needed changes was the last straw for even the most fervour supporters of the Qing. The Xinhai 'Revolution' of 1911 therefore started and progressed as almost natural disintegration of long ago failed state, not worth of saving. Yuan Shikai, while having enough military power to destroy revolutionaries, recognized that new establishment may offer more opportunities than rigid Manchu bureaucracy. Once he got title of President, his closest allies established their own powerbases within the China. Many provinces had population and resources to become powerful sovereign states in their own right, but there was strong shared desire to preserve unity. Therefore, when Sun Yat-sen tried to gather his allies to fight against the Beiyang regime, he found little support - until Yuan tried to offically return to monarchy with himself as the Emperor. It wasn't an impossible feat itself, but the man didn't command the loyalty, dedication and ruthlessness ready for the task. His allies abandoned him, and other factors, such as declining health or playing both Central Powers and Entente for weapons and loans didn't help him either. The dedicated Revolutionaries marched from the South, while various warlords were busy carving up their own realms and killing their opponents in battle or by the poison.


The national emblem of Republic of China, Empire of China, Beiyang Government and then, of course, Chinese Empire. Same as Five Races Under One Union flag of the Empire, it was preserved, as it fitted well with Northern representation of times between 1911-1928 as merely transition period between fallen Empire of the Qing dynasty and new Chinese Empire being reborn from it's ashes through radicalism, warlordism and banditry.

In the middle of such unfortunate proceedings, arrival of von Spee's battlefleet to Chinese waters and it's ferocious battles with Imperial Japanese Navy further complicated the matters. Despite the wishes of Sun Yat-sen and his supporters, Beiyang army provided the Germans all the supplies they needed, in exchange for weapons, including guns saved from destroyed ships of both sides. Brief attempt of Yuan to restore the Empire therefore didn't hurt much the legitimacy of regime in Beijing in the end. With strengthened military forces and with 'Treaty of Friendship' signed by von Spee and monarchist Xu Schichang, guaranteeing removal of all Japanese and British forces from China, most Revolutionaries from the South were satisfied. The treaties regarding Macao and Hong Kong were to be honored for the same, time-limited lease, with Germany simply replacing Portugal and Britain. This was conveniently combined with murder of Duan Qirui, who amassed too much influence within the Beiyang forces and it's commanders and his loyalties to losing side of the World War became well-known. But it would be real mistake to blame only Yuan Shikai for shattering of China, which was the gradual process since defeats in Opium Wars, Taiping and Boxer Rebellions. If anything, the wannabe Emperor clearly recognized the futility to fight Great Powers directly, as the Middle Kingdom was no longer an equal to them, however, his willingness to give Japanese further concessions before did cost him many possible supporters.


A misguided idealist vs. cynical pragmatic: both Sun Yat-sen and Yuan Shikai lacked the essentials to unite China under one banner. One refused to recognize realities of feudal and illiterate society unable to adopt Western values, while the other was overrelying on personal favours and bribery, when there was little true loyalty.

It was eventually the most loyal ally of Yuan, Zhang Zuolin, the Warlord of Manchuria, who was one of the few powerful figures, who supported his attempt to create new imperial dynasty regardless of any controversy surrounding it. With no better choice available at the time, the warlord used support of the Japanese military to resist his rivals, and welcomed the opportunity to make contacts with the Germans, who operated freely within Northern China, after failed Siege of Tsingtao. That was the first sign, that China's options to manoeuvre in world politics may be not limited to the British or the Japanese. It was in October 1914, after a Fall of Paris, when British pulled their forces off, with their Japanese allies doing the same, frustrated and demoralized, as the British government was seriously contemplating peace offer to German Empire, which was already moving it's entire military might against ill-prepared Russians. After outright British refusal to publicly guarantee transfer of Tsingtao to Empire of Japan, less than 4000 strong German force controlled the territory until eventual and shocking arrival of von Spee's battleships in 1916. Defenses of the 'Deutsches Pachtgebiet Kiautschou', which was the territory's official title, were bolstered by additional 10000 troops, gun turrets and machine gun outposts. The Beiyang government provided the battlefleet whatever they needed, be it coal, rice or more workers, not caring at all about such breach of it's current neutrality in the war.


The German 'Ostasien Flotte' stationed in formerly British port of Hong Kong was created in 1920 to secure nothing more and nothing less than the Reich's own zone of influence carved throughout Indochina, Chinese ports, Pacific islands - and to strengthen the German-Dutch alliance in the protection of East Indies.

In 1917, after defeat of Russia, catastrophic losses of the Royal Navy and the rest of remaining British allies crushed one after another, the Beiyang commanders in Northern China grew bolder, which culminated to Zhang Zuolin's annexation of leased British territory of Weihaiwei the same day the German Empire formally returned it's own leased territory on Shandong peninsula merely a days following landing of von Mackensen's army in Wales. In addition, to further bolster his position as the strongest Warlord and Chinese patriot, he unilaterally declared 'revision' of Shimonoseki Treaty of 1895 and moved his troops into Liaoning peninsula as well as into South Manchuria Railway Zone, said to be null and void. Falsely claiming it was approved by the Tsingtao Treaty with German Empire as well, the initial Japanese reaction were limited to protests and reinforcing it's military might in port of Dairen and Korea. After that, German forces from Tsingtao, who were naturally allowed to travel through Chinese territory, arrived just in time to accept surrender of British garrison in Hong Kong. With the flag of the Kaiserreich flying above the Hong Kong Island, the British controlled territory since 1843, the Sun had finally set on the remnants of British Empire. The Japanese forces had to leave German Pacific islands and had to officially withdrew their Twenty-One Demands, but more or less, almost everything was returned to the situation as it existed before the war. Strong and focused German military presence in the Far East replaced the presence of British and French, relying on well-fortified ports and support of it's satellite states such as Vietnam or Sarawak, ruled by their own sovereigns who pledged their loyalties to victor of the World War.


Generaloberst Hans von Seeckt, Supreme Commander of German forces in East Asia, 1924-1934. Former right hand of August von Mackensen, his methods were often undeniably effective as much as undeniably horrifying. Both execution of 'Dogmeat General' Zhang Zongchang and murder of 'Christian General' Feng Yuxiang were supposedly parts of his own designs to stabilise Northern China.

A little heavy-handed methods, so typical for Prussian diplomacy, were given velvet gloves in person of Grand Admiral Heinrich, Prince of Prussia, younger brother of the Kaiser. A capable naval officer and born diplomat, he helped to negoatiate a more friendly relations to Japanese, who's main ally was suddenly destroyed, and two hostile powers - United States and Germany - were now in the control of Far East and Pacific. Tacitly approving continued Japanese control of Northern Sakhalin and economic interests in Manchuria, both countries agreed in rejection of American 'Open Door Policy' in China, as well as rejection of already proposed Washington Naval Treaty, which was turned into diplomatic humiliation of United States. Lands of Southern China, too dominated by the cliques sympathetic to Americans and former Entente's powers, were to be left as a 'neutral ground' for any trade or political competition, while Central and Northern China, dominated by the Beiyang Warlords, were to be divided into zones of exclusive economic interests, geographically denoted by the 38th parallel - that left Shandong peninsula in the German zone, which was soon followed by investments of German companies, such as Mauser-Werke or Germaniawerft.
This also meant that Northern China enjoyed development of industry and infrastructure not enjoyed by the Southern provinces, which soon turned for help to United States, where they found it in person of President Leonard Wood, who's fiercely anti-German foreign policy finally got through Congress and U.S. public. The fact that by the time of Wood's sudden death just before 1928 Presidential elections the both were no longer true, mattered little, as the South received necessary loans, industrial machinery and weaponry to start so called 'Northern Expedition'.
Unfortunately to them, the Northern China was no longer contested battleground of several flamboyant pseudo-monarchs. And they crossed the interests of two militarist empires, which heavily invested into the country, both politically and economically. The face of German presence was not smiling Prussian prince anymore either.


Twelve C-class cruisers, formerly of Royal Navy, were transferred to control of Beyiang government in 1924, along with greater number of destroyers and torpedo boats no longer useful to Kaiserliche Marine, instantly dwarfing whatever kind of naval power was controlled by the Nationalists.

Initially, the National Revolutionary Army led by Zhou Enlai, enjoyed great success, as they decisively crushed 'Jade Marshal' Wu Peifu's forces in Central China. Resisting for many months of onslaught from two and then three sides, his armies lost all strategic positions and supplies were denied to them, same as their attempted escape road to the North, as he was eventually encircled and most of his forces surrendered. His body was never found. Similarly, the personal army of 'Nanjing Warlord', Sun Chuanfang, after months of attrition war slowly retreated to the port cities for their eventual evacuation, after suffering several crushing defeats by the NRA. When Nanjing eventually fell, NRA's forces were already marching towards Beijing and Shandong peninsula.
In 1928, however, the Warlord Zhang Zuolin posessed far greater capabilities than Wu and Sun combined. Preparing enough supplies for long march to the South, Zhang mobilised entirety of Manchuria, Zhili, Shanxi and Shandong provinces - and could also rely upon forces of autonomous Mongolian princedom, which was largely left alone in the shadow of his growing ambitions.
It was an actually part of Warlord's strategy to let other two remaining warlord rivals be destroyed, not only to reinforce his authority over entirety of Northern and Central China, but also to expose the strength of NRA's, led by capable young commanders, a products of the Republic he started to despise long ago, and supported by Bolshevik advisors, who had to make themselves home in China after Soviet capitulation in 1926. That was naturally the case of all Soviet ships and leftovers of Red Army, which escaped to China through Central Asia and Xinjiang, fearing retaliation of their returning Russian brethren loyal to Nicholas III. more than the Germans. Combined with improved infrastructure and economy of Guangxi, Guangdong or Yunnan provinces, the NRA created fearsome force made of professional soldiers, as much as of fanatical revolutionary militias, in order to conquer North.


The Xuantong Emperor, dethroned and then forced to leave his country as child, to live in Germany for ten years, only to return in 1928 in a Japanese-designed uniform as 'The Emperor of Chinese' in new capital city of Hsinking, deep within Manchuria. His role was designed to be of 'national symbol' against Nationalists, who used anti-Manchu rhetorics with fervour, going against the very ideals they claimed to be protecting.

Until January 1926, the united 'Republic of China' existed in principle, if not in reality, as the last republican government which had any claim of legitimacy or unity was dissolved in 1922 - with both the North and the South pursing their own ideologies and foreign policy, however, the clash was inevitable, with the start of hostilities in July 1926, after left-wing government of President Wang Jingwei and Premier Chen Duxiu declared themselves to be the only legitimate Chinese government. Instead of facing the invading forces, Zhang Zuolin gave only so much support to his allies to not be called a traitor, blaming continued banditry in Manchuria and current deployment of his armies on Japanese and Russian borders as causes for delay to send any significant forces, not mentioning current rearmament and training efforts. All in all, he and his underlings used the time to study the NRA's successes, using the intel provided by the both German and Japanese agents, to prepare counterattack. Eventually, when Zhou Enlai's forces left Xuzhou with intention to cross Yellow River by January 1928, they were met by the 600.000 strong 'National Pacification Army', led by Zhang Zuolin in person. The overwhelming firepower forced NRA to retreat, harassed by air force and warships loyal to Zhang. Xuzhou fell in April, provinces of Gansu, Shaanxi, Henan, Anhui and Jiangsu were invaded in quick succession and reinforced by reserves afterwards, including survivors from armies of defeated Warlords. The NRA, after initial shock, aggressively counterattacked from Nanjing, unwilling to let the city fall. This major engagement, 'Battle of Shanghai-Nanjing', resulted into military stalemate, generally recognized as tactical victory for Zhou's NRA, but strategic victory for the Zhang, as he forced the enemy to exhaust all their capabilities to be a threat for a decade to come. In fact, the Warlord's time schedule was more pressing than Zhou's: he feared the possible revolts within his own forces, which were far from absolute loyalty he sought and 300.000 more troops were kept between Beijing and Hsinking at all times as an insurance policy against any Japanese intervention he feared since his courageous, but almost suicidal move against Japanese extraterritorial rights in Manchuria. The German guarantees, he knew well, had their limitations, such as possibility that future alliance with Japan is more valuable than one with China. There was also more practical matter, such as his troops soon needing more artillery shells and machine gun ammo than Northern factories and NPA's arsenals are able to provide - or the matter with Northern economy being stable for now, but too fragile to maintain the war costs any more. If the war continued well into 1929, the Manchurian currency itself could soon collapse - which was opinion not only of his own bankers, but also Reichsbank's executives - promising further loans to rebuild Central China AFTER the end of hostilities.
Time was still the essence, same as legitimacy of his government. Which is why Zhang always remained on cordial terms with person which could help him in that goal. And also why the Armistice was the most practical solution. At the same time.

 
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So if I'm getting this right, Imperial China is just Fengtian with Puyi as a puppet monarch?
 

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It's quite a bit more than that. Mongolia, Manchuria, Shaanxi, and basically everything north of Nanjing are controlled by 'Imperial China.' Whereas 'RoC' controls the south and West, though how effective that control is, might be debatable.
 

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So if I'm getting this right, Imperial China is just Fengtian with Puyi as a puppet monarch?

Imperial China is the only China.

It's quite a bit more than that. Mongolia, Manchuria, Shaanxi, and basically everything north of Nanjing are controlled by 'Imperial China.' Whereas 'RoC' controls the south and West, though how effective that control is, might be debatable.

To clarify further, there would be continuing border low level warfare for decade or so, as both sides will continue to claim they are the only legitimate Chinese government, with many 'incidents'. With both of them indoctrinating population about their world views. About how Zhang saved the real, pure China's legacy, while red traitors in the south defiled the Chinese souls with foreign philosophies.
 
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"The bringing of great masses of thoughtful and free people under a single government must tend to make governments what alone they should be, the representatives of the will and the organization of the power of the people. The adoption in Europe of the American system of union under the control and direction of a free people, educated to self-restraint, can not fail to extend popular institutions and to enlarge the peaceful influence of American ideas."

- Ulysses S. Grant, 1871, message regarding unification of Germany

The United States entered 20th century as an industrial power and progressive nation, while simultaneously expressing expansionary ambitions, pushing for Open Door Policy in China or dismantling the most of the remnants of Spanish Empire in 1898. This was largely under the presidencies Theodore Roosevelt and W. H. Taft, however, and in time, American public started to be concerned about too fast changes in society, left-wing ideas represented by socialists and anarchists and foreign entanglements. This caused the split within the Republican Party and allowed Democratic candidate to win. Therefore the next President, Woodrow Wilson, swore to end an imperialist policies of his predecessors, and refused to intervene in the Great War, despite his own sympathies for the British and benevolent neutrality, which allowed continued transatlantic trade. Nevertheless, usage of Panama Canal by German battlefleet during von Spee's expedition caused an outrage and his administration faced attacks in the press owned by Entente-sympathizers. Badly mishandled intervention in Mexico further convinced him however, that direct involvement can do more harm than good and in the period of 1914-1917, the American government repeatedly offered mediation, which was always rejected by both sides.


USS South Dakota, first ship of the class. Twenty-four battleships if this class, in total, were built after firm rejection of Washington Naval Treaty by German Empire, which also continued to build more warships for over twelve of foreign users, including the navies of South American countries. All of this happening, while Kaiserliche Marine fortified islands in Atlantic Ocean, from Azores to Saint Helena, with primary base of Atlantik Flotte on annexed islands of Outer Hebrides.

Wilson's own views changed in time, as German armies continued to roll over countries of Europe, which formed coalition largely backed by British Empire, which was draining all of it's resources in order to exhaust it's enemy's will to fight further. Miscalculating badly, it seemed. France, Italy, Serbia, Romania, Greece even Russia fell, dismantled or remade by Germans or dangerous new ideologies. Meanwhile, the Congress in late 1910s, equally split between Republicans and Democrats, further divided into factions of hardline progressives and hardline isolationists, remained deadlocked. The President could make any number of speeches he wanted about necessity of intervention in 1917 or 1918, he simply couldn't break through debate over domestic affairs and faction bickering. His own party abandoned him, making it clear, that there will be new candidate for next election.
The American public was initially more concerned about women's suffrage and employment or racial tensions in the South more than the conclusion of war, until von Mackensen's Prussian divisions entered streets of London supported by heavy artillery fire. The photograph of King-Emperor George V. co-signing the Westminster Treaty along with Prime Minister David Lloyd George, which contained sole British responsibility for the war, entered possible every major and minor American newspaper. Overwhelming majority of them, no matter if radical New Yorker socialist or Deep South isolationist wrote the piece, condemned the heavy-handed conclusion of the war. This was followed by more reports of American Red Cross or Herbert Hoover's Relief Commission, which were highly unfavourable to methods of German government how to finally and thoroughly punish Britain for 'plotting aggressive war of conquest against German nation'.


Leonard Wood, "President in uniform", 29th President of the United States.

In 1920, Republican Party remained split into factions of Progressives and Conservatives, with the former now arguably strengthened, as the voters no longer favoured staying away from world affairs, not after Germans took virtual control of destiny over three continents, not mentioning victory of Zapatistas in Mexico, where now flied the red flag with yellow eagle in the middle and also the crowning of Edward I. of Canada, which was also noticed by quite a few journalists and politicians. One rising star among bankers and investors, Joseph Kennedy, urged to find common ground with Germany, which just destroyed largest Empire in history of Mankind, but, he noticed, also liberated countless nations, including Irish, which is something he 'must approve despite the savagery of Prussian warfare'. Such remarks meant only more fuel to the fire of changes which engulfed both major parties. Democrats showed more conciliatory approach towards racial and gender issues, while reinforcing their position of isolationism, which gradually transformed into America First Policy. There, they found tacit support of Conservatives within other party, who failed to prevent nomination of Leonard Wood as a next President.
It was also perhaps more than just a joke, that old general won thanks to votes of women who could read articles which claimed how Wilson's wife got her diplomatic visit of Berlin rejected, on the grounds of being irrelevant person of low birth. Or perhaps that Theodore Roosevelt publicly supported his nomination. Or both were the case.
Former Roosevelt's second in command in Spanish-American War, Wood, to the dismay of Congress and both parties, didn't intend to just talk about facing the threat of Germany: he proposed much ambitious plans to enlarge U.S. Navy than previous president did, and to remade small and professional U.S. Army into large force of conscripts, henceforth called 'Million Men Plan', countlessly ridiculed in the press. His plans were frustrated until debacle during Washington Naval Conference, which humiliated the combined efforts of Conservatives and moderates in both parties. Even minor parties started to change their views, especially in the question of rearmament and conscription.


The U.S. Army manoeuvres in the Midwest: much of the initial equipment was of British origin, from helmets to armored vehicles. Development and production of own equipment had to start almost from the scratch - in fact, the first tank of domestic design, M1928, was rejected on the grounds of being too fragile. The Army pursued the strategy of defense in depth even against enemy's superiority in numbers and firepower - clearly influenced by analysis of German offensives.

The reluctance of the politicians and country's elites was logical, however, as creation of standing army of that size and two-ocean navy able to face the might of Kaiserliche Marine and Imperial Japanese Navy required additional Federal income, not just in heavier burden of income tax: no, federal added-value tax and special corporate tax were soon proposed to pay for all the armored vehicles, army bases and battleships. A true Rooseveltian approach, which always endorsed militarism over calculation of profit. Literally despite themselves, members of both major parties were soon presented with equally unacceptable choices.
The press, unusually focused on foreign affairs, compared to prewar situation, kept public informed over German machinations all over world: it was source of many juicy stories, easily horrifying or amusing, if spiced a little by unscrupulous reporters.
Knowing well it will take years before rearmament plans will came to fruition, with the immense domestic problems with rebuilding infrastructure and bureacracy, the President did what he could in the meantime: the 3/4 of the U.S. Navy was soon amassed on the East Coast, non-aggression pacts (alliances) were made with remnants of British Empire, including the islands in Carribean, which essentially became protectorate of United States. Wood went as far as to provide some support for Soviet State and much more significant ones, to Southern Chinese government and British State.


The British State experienced sudden recovery over Dawes Plan implemented in 1922. Further loans provided by American banks allowed Britain the repayment of it's war debt and to rebuild economy. This also had a positive impact on the remaining bastions of former British Empire, realigning their own economies to help the Home Islands again, while English immigration to Kingdoms of Canada and Oceania continued.

Election in 1924 reflected the divisions within the American society: Robert M. La Follette Sr., also an old ally of "Teddy" Roosevelt, got an impressive 20% of popular votes throughout of country. These were the votes of rural moderates of the Midwest mostly, who disagreed with both extreme militarism and extreme pacifism, embodied by the major parties. Although La Follette died the next year, these concerns didn't dissapear. A growing numbers of Republicans became concerned that unfortunate split within the party may cause an another Democratic victory in next election, akin to the debacle of 1912.


In 1928, 266 electoral votes were needed for victory. The Progressive candidates Hughes and Johnson got 269.

When President Wood died in 1928, three weeks before National Conventions of both parties, the standing U.S. Army in the peace time was larger than Union Army at it's peak during the Civil War and U.S. Navy was able to face German battlefleets on both Oceans. The heavy work of two presidential terms could easily end, however, as proclaimed by the Democrats. The Republican Convention remained deadlocked and soon enough, faction infighting, grimly calm for years due to circumstances, exploded into full travesty of accusations and bold claims.
It was at this point when group of prominent Progressive and Moderate Republicans declared they are leaving the party, and the next day, in the Convention Hall in Kansas City, only handful of delegates remained, unsure what to do now. In retrospect, many historian agree that such move was planned ever since the last election to prevent Democratic victory, as noted by La Follette Sr. shortly before his death in 1925, approached by Charles Evans Hughes after his resignation of the post of the Secretary of State, concerned over unsolvable issues within the party ever since presidency of Roosevelt. Wood's sudden death after failed surgery only hastened the process or made it inevitably, as his continuing presidency was only glue still keeping the party in one piece by 1928.
Joining the forces with other old allies, like California's governor Hiram Johnson and La Follette's son, who's support could guarantee the votes of Wisconsin, North Dakota and few other states, the remade Progressive Party of America enjoyed success, winning the majority of all votes, but only barely defeating the Democrats, holding onto their Southern stronghold states and quite few other states, stubbornly still loyal to what remained of Republicans.


Charles Evans Hughes, 30th President of the United States
 
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As always, I enjoy reading it, but the electoral map had me going down a bit of a rabbit hole
First, since I have made a few maps before, I also made a template to make a US state template and I made what I think you meant your electoral college to be with it.
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There is, however, one problem with this map. I think you used the wrong electoral seat distribution, since it doesn't equate to a Progressive victory if I use the 1928 Electoral College for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege1928.svg
The vote totals are:
Progressive 264
Republican 128
Democrat 144
This makes it so that the Progressives lack 5 votes for a direct victory in the Electoral College, with the Dems and Reps at a combined 272 votes
 

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Well, this US should be much more of a challenge for Germany than the US of OTL. Of course, I have absolute faith that the vessels of the Kaiserliche Marine will still be able to dictate peace by steaming up the Potomac.
 

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You forgot 5 from Rhode Island :D that one is too tiny for DH map...
Darkest Hour is kinda a mixed bag in this regard, but that is mostly because of the scale of the provinces compared to some national divisions. It included California perfectly but it really misses the ball in the Great Plains and the Northeast just has too small states
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Also, feel free to use the map in the AAR, that's what I was initially making it for
 

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America will prove to be a quite different beast in this timeline it seems. :D
 

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Cold war in the 1920s.
Despite the party politics of the USA and the will of the voters operating in mysterious ways, I still see the USA in this timeline
as kind of good guys.They didn't start a war, they didn't break nations apart(Britain) , or invade them after signing a peace treaty with them(Soviet Russia, unless the treaty was signed with the Russian Republic and it then fell apart, can't remember).
They even called a summit to regulate the naval race and the Germans sent Steel magnates and admirals to turn them down.

On another note will there be an economic crash like our timeline or Kaiserreich timeline?
And what are the German-American economic relations?
OTL the US companies had a lot of trade agreements with German companies even after the rise of Hitler business being business and all.