Plans for England duchy CoA's?

[Polskers]

Are there any plans to use the coat of arms changer as of Charlemagne for the duchies in England, such as Lancaster, York, Kent, etc., so that there may be a set of Saxon/Germanic arms and a set of Norman ones? I think that'd be a handy use for the feature. I've been working on doing so myself, so I'm sure it could be added into the base mod for post-1066 starts.

 

[Rylock]

We've no plans to do so, but if someone were to do the work it could certainly find its way into the mod.

 

[Polskers]

Then I would absolutely love to volunteer what I've modded to make it available for the next version.

Basically, 10 duchies in England will have their coats of arms changed from Saxon/Germanic on October 14th 1066 when William becomes the king of England and the Norman Conquest goes on.

Also a bonus coat of arms, for those who like to play the 1337 start... From 1327 onwards (with the succession of King Edward III), to reflect his claim to France I have changed the coat of arms of Norman England to that of the Plantagenets (England and France arms quartered).

If you'd like to put it in the next version, please credit me, that's all I ask! Thanks, guys. I've attached the file below.

View attachment England Flag Changer.rar

Edit - Fixed a quick bug that I missed first time around.

 

[zeress]

They've made it to the dev version now, thanks!

Oh btw, you don't have to place a always = no in, something like this alone will simply do to make it uncreatable:

k_englandnorwegian = { #England of Harald the Conqueror
	color = { 202 26 26 }
}

As long as there is no capital it cannot be made (and no specific thing telling it to be creatable without a capital of course)

 

[Polskers]

They've made it to the dev version now, thanks!

Oh btw, you don't have to place a always = no in, something like this alone will simply do to make it uncreatable:

k_englandnorwegian = { #England of Harald the Conqueror
	color = { 202 26 26 }
}

As long as there is no capital it cannot be made (and no specific thing telling it to be creatable without a capital of course)

Ah, okay, thanks for the pointer, Zeress!

Awesome to hear that it'll be in the next version! Looking forward to it! Cheers.

 

[schwarherz]

Ah, okay, thanks for the pointer, Zeress!

Awesome to hear that it'll be in the next version! Looking forward to it! Cheers.

It's actually in right now.

 

[Polskers]

It's actually in right now.

Good stuff! Thanks, guys!

 

[OxfordNik]

So out of interest, how does the CoA switching work? Does it just depend on the time frames, or do the top liege/vassal cultures have any effect?

For instance, I'm currently playing as an (English) Plantagenet king, and instead of the Three Lions CoA, I have the dragon CoA for England; the Duchy of Oxford (ruled by - I think - an English de Vere) has the Hwicce yellow cross on black; Hereford/Mercia have the Mercian yellow/blue saltire; and Lancaster/York/Kent/East Anglia seem to have the "historic" CoAs.

Just wondering what determines whether the different CoAs are used, 's all...

 

[Rylock]

So out of interest, how does the CoA switching work? Does it just depend on the time frames, or do the top liege/vassal cultures have any effect?

For instance, I'm currently playing as an (English) Plantagenet king, and instead of the Three Lions CoA, I have the dragon CoA for England; the Duchy of Oxford (ruled by - I think - an English de Vere) has the Hwicce yellow cross on black; Hereford/Mercia have the Mercian yellow/blue saltire; and Lancaster/York/Kent/East Anglia seem to have the "historic" CoAs.

Just wondering what determines whether the different CoAs are used, 's all...

It's done in the history files. If you start the game before those CoA's are set, they don't (currently, anyhow) get changed to their new versions.

 

[OxfordNik]

It's done in the history files. If you start the game before those CoA's are set, they don't (currently, anyhow) get changed to their new versions.

Cool, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I started in 1144, at "The Anarchy" - think the England CoA was originally the "three lions" one (from what I can remember), but when the king got overthrown it ended up changing the country CoA to the "dragon" one. Or it may have done that on reload?

Anyhow, keep up the great work!

 

[Rylock]

Cool, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I started in 1144, at "The Anarchy" - think the England CoA was originally the "three lions" one (from what I can remember), but when the king got overthrown it ended up changing the country CoA to the "dragon" one. Or it may have done that on reload?

Interesting. It's possible there is some bugginess with Paradox's set_coa command -- who knows how much testing it got? If so, there's unlikely much we can do other than take out the entire thing if it's too annoying.

 

[OxfordNik]

Interesting. It's possible there is some bugginess with Paradox's set_coa command -- who knows how much testing it got? If so, there's unlikely much we can do other than take out the entire thing if it's too annoying.

Oh, it's by no means too annoying! I just wondered whether I should be seeing the various CoAs depending on the culture of the holder (which would be the most ideal situation) - don't take it out simply because one playthrough seemed to have some weirdness

 

[Polskers]

I think it's a bug with the set_coa command, but just a minor one (perhaps visible too with Italy, Hungary, etc. which change their arms). What I've noticed is that if you save a game, and then reload it, the COA *might* not be the right one as when you initially started. In that case, exit your save, go to the start date that your save was in, and load that. The CoA will be reset Then, exit that, and reload your save from before, and your CoA is good to go. I think it's a slight glitch with the command in that it isn't always recognised to reset at particular dates in the history but it's not game breaking by any means. It should work for latest version.

Your case sounds like some weirdness with the King having been overthrown and everything switched back. It should be dependent on the date on which you start, primarily, not so much with who holds the crown, but who knows what can happen if a game decides to glitch?

By no means is it too annoying either, I think, but I've noticed that as well. It's just a minor fuss, but there's easy workarounds to it! Glad you like it, Nik! Certainly wasn't simple but not too difficult to make either!

 

[Polskers]

I've posted a fix for England's CoA not resetting to normal Saxon CoA if you already started a post-1066 game. It's in the bug reports thread.

 

[OxfordNik]

Cool, thanks. I've actually sort-of worked around it by creating the English Empire (renamed to Plantagenet Empire), which uses the 'three lions' Plantagenet CoA. But might try your method too to see if it works