In the last shot they're firing an airplane out of the hangar on a catapult mounted in the open side of the hangar. Gee, can't think why they quit doing that. 
- 1
Pick the ship
- Thread starter Axe99
- Start date
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
In the last shot they're firing an airplane out of the hangar on a catapult mounted in the open side of the hangar. Gee, can't think why they quit doing that.
Right you all are
. I actually don't categorically know why they stopped launching aircraft off catapults out the side of a hangar, but I can't imagine it was very comfortable, and as aircraft stall speeds increased, the stress on pilot and aircraft would have only got higher, so that'd be my guess - feel free to enlighten us if details you know, Director (or anyone else) .The class which this next vessel was a part of played a relatively minor role in the war, but it was one step on the pathway to one of the most produced submarines of the conflict...
A Finnish sub based off the German VIIa... Forget the name though.Right you all are
The class which this next vessel was a part of played a relatively minor role in the war, but it was one step on the pathway to one of the most produced submarines of the conflict...
View attachment 151783
- 1
Are you referring to the Vetehinen class of 3 subs designed by a German company masquerading as a Dutch one to circumvent Versailles, and then constructed by the Finns? Those vessels served as a prototype for the German Type VII. The picture used appears to be the same one displayed on the Wiki page for the Vesihiisi of that class.
- 1
Nice work the both of you .
It is indeed, those sneaky Germans. Worked out alright for the Finns though. They did another sub that was the prototype for the Type II coastal subs as well.
That's the one - the Type VIIC was actually the most produced type of sub by some margin, and the second-most produced class of any kind anywhere near that weight range (it was pipped by the US-built LST Mk 2s). Very nice work on the back-story about those sneaky Germans.
This next ship didn't make it to the period covered by HoI4 but its two sisters did. Of the three in the class, none of them were put out of action in direct enemy combat (or old age)...
.It is indeed, those sneaky Germans. Worked out alright for the Finns though. They did another sub that was the prototype for the Type II coastal subs as well.
That's the one - the Type VIIC was actually the most produced type of sub by some margin, and the second-most produced class of any kind anywhere near that weight range (it was pipped by the US-built LST Mk 2s). Very nice work on the back-story about those sneaky Germans
.This next ship didn't make it to the period covered by HoI4 but its two sisters did. Of the three in the class, none of them were put out of action in direct enemy combat (or old age)...
España-class battleship?Nice work the both of you
It is indeed, those sneaky Germans. Worked out alright for the Finns though. They did another sub that was the prototype for the Type II coastal subs as well.
That's the one - the Type VIIC was actually the most produced type of sub by some margin, and the second-most produced class of any kind anywhere near that weight range (it was pipped by the US-built LST Mk 2s). Very nice work on the back-story about those sneaky Germans
This next ship didn't make it to the period covered by HoI4 but its two sisters did. Of the three in the class, none of them were put out of action in direct enemy combat (or old age)...
View attachment 151827
- 1
Seems to fit as far as I can tell. Espana grounded in 1923 and couldn't be salvaged. One of the others sank after hitting a mine laid by its own side and the third was destroyed by an internal explosion while under repairs 12 months after having been damaged by enemy bombers.
- 1
The idea behind the side catapults (if I remember correctly) was to speed up launch times and/or reserve the deck for landings.
I don't know exactly why it was discontinued, but I think that, if the carrier is steaming at 30 knots or so into the wind as you typically do for carrier ops, then the plane coming off the catapult would be hit by a 40-50mph side wind.
Espana ran aground and was wrecked, Alfonso XIII was renamed Espana when the King went into exile and later hit a mine laid by her own side, Jaime I was destroyed by an internal explosion.
They were far and away the smallest and weakest dreadnoughts ever built.
Ah - scooped by jamesd!
I don't know exactly why it was discontinued, but I think that, if the carrier is steaming at 30 knots or so into the wind as you typically do for carrier ops, then the plane coming off the catapult would be hit by a 40-50mph side wind.
Espana ran aground and was wrecked, Alfonso XIII was renamed Espana when the King went into exile and later hit a mine laid by her own side, Jaime I was destroyed by an internal explosion.
They were far and away the smallest and weakest dreadnoughts ever built.
Ah - scooped by jamesd!
- 1
Still don't know how they managed to fire broadsides. Elevate the guns to like 80 degrees in traverse?
- 2
Still don't know how they managed to fire broadsides. Elevate the guns to like 80 degrees in traverse?
It looks weird compared to the later battleships with all the main armament on the centreline, but this arrangement was common with most dreadnought battleships.
- 1
Can't get much past you lot . Well, not unless I do something silly and just post a picture of a set of stairs or something . Nice work as always . Quite an effort by the Spaniards to lose three BBs not in combat, in reflection, it was probably a good idea they went the smaller and cheaper option!
Here's another one, this vessel (in a class of it's own) looked like this by the end of HoI4, but looked somewhat different at the start....
. Well, not unless I do something silly and just post a picture of a set of stairs or something . Nice work as always . Quite an effort by the Spaniards to lose three BBs not in combat, in reflection, it was probably a good idea they went the smaller and cheaper option!Here's another one, this vessel (in a class of it's own) looked like this by the end of HoI4, but looked somewhat different at the start....
But the space between the turrets and the funnel and masts looks way too small for the gun to turn to fire a broadside as seen in the picture (the 1st/A turret wasn't firing but the other 3 were all facing portside.
Can't get much past you lot
Here's another one, this vessel (in a class of it's own) looked like this by the end of HoI4, but looked somewhat different at the start....
View attachment 151856
HSwMS Gotland?
Was a Seaplane Tender, but was turned into an anti-air Cruiser.
Aye, I agree, I guess they made sure the turrets were just far enough off the centreline to allow them to swing past the funnels/masts. Not the first design I'd pick for a dreadnought!
It was indeed, nice work
.Here's a ship that by the time of this picture, had seen rather better days (and would no longer be covered by HoI4 in its current state, but would be a unit at the start of the game)
Aye, I agree, I guess they made sure the turrets were just far enough off the centreline to allow them to swing past the funnels/masts. Not the first design I'd pick for a dreadnought!
It was indeed, nice work
Here's a ship that by the time of this picture, had seen rather better days (and would no longer be covered by HoI4 in its current state, but would be a unit at the start of the game)
View attachment 151964
Sovjet Battleship Marat?
Battleships (and battlecruisers) with wing turrets sometimes had the ability to bring all the turrets to bear - the Invincibles did not but others did - including firing one turret's guns across the deck. I'm not sure if the Espanas had the ability or not; the cleared deck seems to indicate they might. Oddly enough this is called 'cross-deck fire' as in Rule the Waves (LOL). But it was found in practice that firing big guns across the deck not only destroyed the wooden decking but sometimes caused damage to the metal beneath from blast pressure.
Wing turrets permit the center-line space to be used for boilers and engines. Also it was long thought that superimposing turrets would cause the blast pressure from the guns in the top one to knock out the lower turret. The US pioneered super-firing main gun turrets in its first dreadnoughts, Michigan and South Carolina, which were actually laid down before Dreadnought.
Wing turrets permit the center-line space to be used for boilers and engines. Also it was long thought that superimposing turrets would cause the blast pressure from the guns in the top one to knock out the lower turret. The US pioneered super-firing main gun turrets in its first dreadnoughts, Michigan and South Carolina, which were actually laid down before Dreadnought.
Cheers for the extra info @Director, I still hadn't got my head around cross-deck fire yet in RTW, but now I know I'll have do design something appropriately quirky!
That it be, in its role as a floating battery after the Germans had rudely blown off it's bow. Some invaders have no manners! Nice work.
I wasn't actually looking for a shot for the Marat above, but for the vessel below (but found the Marat, and thought it was worth including in the thread). The clue for this particularly class/ship is that the guns you see below had a maximum range of 46,800 yards (nearly 42.8 km), not too shabby!
That it be, in its role as a floating battery after the Germans had rudely blown off it's bow. Some invaders have no manners! Nice work
.I wasn't actually looking for a shot for the Marat above, but for the vessel below (but found the Marat, and thought it was worth including in the thread). The clue for this particularly class/ship is that the guns you see below had a maximum range of 46,800 yards (nearly 42.8 km), not too shabby!
Italian Littorio class Battleship ? (almost said Yamato, but that would probably be too easy)
My source says 46,220 yards for Littorio but there are possibilities of conversion errors. The turret shape and life rafts on top of the turrets does look like Littorio.