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[lekim]

The strange thing here is hungary wanting to conquer austria. Now there is the austrian province of 'Burgenland' which was part of the kingdom of hungery until the end of the habsburg monachy. They might want that tiny part back. But that didn't seem to be an option. So why? Hungary was liked it's autonomy from austria a lot. There is a reason why you know the state as austro-hungerian empire. Even the monachists who wanted a habsburgian king wpuldn't want a personalunion with austria at this point.

The allies as in france and britain where far away why should they intervine any time soon. But all of hungerys other neibours had a lot more formerly hungarian terretory than austria and had resently been fighting hungery over it (1919). they would actually be threatend by an attack on austria. So why don't czechoslovakia or rumania intervene?



True that is weird. However they couldn't have known hungery would annex all of austria. Because why should they? Okay the proclaimed war goal to conquer eastern austria (conviniently but unprecisely named lower austria) was already quite ambitious. The plan of the nazis was destabilizing austria to justify an annexation. So the enemy of austrias goverment would have been there ally... No, it's still weird over all. But we can't really expect scriped what if scenarios for whenever the player does something compleatly implausible. And I'm not convinced this is a fundamental mechanical issue.

They sent troops to help against CZ. I proposed already that country can join a war with no penalty if another country where it has core is attacked and this country is not democracy. It should solve the problem.

 

[jockedahl]

Maybe they should reintroduce some sorth of Sphere of Influence system with Guarantees, like they used in Victoria 2, it makes it hard as a minor power to interfere in the spheres of Great Powers. Such as Austria which would have to be considered to be under German sphere of influence.

 

[lekim]

Maybe they should reintroduce some sorth of Sphere of Influence system with Guarantees, like they used in Victoria 2, it makes it hard as a minor power to interfere in the spheres of Great Powers. Such as Austria which would have to be considered to be under German sphere of influence.

Probably the cheapest way to solve this problem is to set up initial guarantees (they still exists as far as I am aware).

Ger -> Aus, Cz, Lat
Jp -> Chn
Jug <-> Rom
Ita -> Eph, Alb
Ussr -> Fin, Rom

All the guarantees should be removed with certain focuses. Like Anschluss, Münich, Memel, Bessarabia etc.

 

[TheDerpyBeagle]

I completely agree. This isn't about making sure everything is railroaded or that Germany always annexes Austria, but just because something is sandbox does not mean that AI nations shouldn't act realistically. If Hungary suddenly annexed Austria in the real world during this time period, it would have most likely provoked attack from literally all it's neighbors, including Germany. In the first few years of the game, the Little Entente was still active, which was an alliance formed exactly for the purpose of preventing Austria-Hungary being reformed in one way or another. There is no plausible scenario where Germany would have let Austria fall into Hungarian hands, and while the game shouldn't be railroaded, it is still a World War II game, and you shouldn't be able to blob and annex half of Europe without consequence.

I also agree that the post-WWI restrictions placed on Hungary and Austria should be implemented, as they were an important issue in the region that directly contributed to Hungary joining the Axis later on, and meant that Austria could have little to no army to defend against the Anschluss when it occurred.

 

[Anichent]

Yeah but if any of that was in the game those minor nations would become unplayable/extremely limited, and the world conquest crowd would be all up in arms. So it's really a case of another point for gameplay vs. realism. And as long as the AI doesn't go on these sorts of Danielesque rampages I don't have a problem with it.

Its only 2 countries, and you make it so that 9/10 or something they do nothing and go with appeasement, but very rarely they actually react.

Adds flavour. Just expands the German flavour to 2 countries a similar thing should apply to.

 

[Sun_Killer]

Okay the proclaimed war goal to conquer eastern austria (conviniently but unprecisely named lower austria) was already quite ambitious.

As far as i can say the naming is correct. There are two large regions in austria called "Niederösterreich"(Lower Austria) and "Oberösterreich"(Upper Austria). The just added Burgenland and Vienna to Lower Austria. Split styria between Upper Austria and Lower Austria and split carinthia(Kärnten) and salzburg betwen Upper Austria and Tyrol and added Voralberg to Tyrol. All moderen Austrian federal states accounted for.

 

[Thiomay]

I don't expect PDX to make 'Burgenland' it's own state in game. I'd be nice if Hungary had a claim there and was able to conquer just that one province but they don't have to have that amount of detail. But the states in game look they were merged in an arbitrary fasion. It's good enouth I guess but merging the states of austria proper (upper austria, lower austria and vienna) into one state and the southern (inneraustrian) states of carinthia and styria into an other would have made more sence geographically in my opinion. The danube connects upper and lower austria while the south is cut of by the mountains. Having Graz in lower austria is just weird.

 

[leeuw]

To avoid the "Hungary takes all" manoeuvre showed by Daniel, it would be sufficient to take into account:
A. the existance in 1936 of the Little Entente, i.e. an alliance between Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Romania, with the support (read: guarantee) by France
B. the existance in 1936 of the Balkan Pact/Balkan Entente between Yugoslavia, Romania, Greece and Turkey, which maybe could be modelled as a faction lead by Romania
[Both of them begun to disband in late 1936 and were completely uneffective from 1938 (more or less soon after the Munich Agreement)]
C. the Italian guarantee over Austria independence (Rome Protocol) of 1934, which was removed later in 1937 (and only for Germany).

 

[Scutatus]

Another WWW (13th April) and still (seemingly) no effect from world tension, which allows Hungary to just invade wherever they want with no consequences.

Wasn't Hitlers first goal was to unify the German speaking peoples (i.e. Austria and part of Czec)? I was expecting GER to declare war on HUN, not send them troops to help them!

Any historians out there care to comment on how plausible the events in todays WWW were?

What (in game) options do countries like GER/FRA/UK have in 1936 in a case like this where HUN invades AUS?

UK Have almost NO options. They barely even HAD an army in 36 - just five regular divisions (and I suspect they are not very strong in-game either in 1936).

There is absolutely no way the UK could realistically intervene militarily in 1936. Even by 1939 it was still arguably too weak - it was just that they couldn't delay any longer. Meanwhile the League of Nations had by this point already demonstrated how toothless economic and diplomatic actions had become. I don't know if that is reflected accurately in-game - or even how/if sanctions are present at all(?)

There is a reason Hitler got away with so much in the 1930s. That same reason will prevent the Allies from intervening directly very effectively even if world tension continues to rise too soon (as seems to be happening).

If war erupts in 36/37 the UK might send part of it's fleet round, but I doubt we'll see much more than that. The UK is just too WEAK at this point.

Germany on the other hand, is another matter. Those countries Hungary is swallowing up are part of Hitler's own ambitions, and he really should be having some strong words with Hungary, rather than - of all things - helping it!

But then, it's 1936, and at this point even Germany is not that strong and not ready for war (it wasn't really ready in '39 for that matter - the build up plan was intended to continue until 1941 - but Hitler kicked it off early). So maybe that will work in Hungary's favour too. Maybe all Germany can do is use harsh language!

Basically, despite Hungary knocking over the ants hill and increasing world tension, almost nobody is ready for war, and almost nobody really wants it yet (except maybe Japan of course). It will be very interesting to see what actually happens if tension becomes so great that someone feels compelled to start the conflict - there's very little to fight it with at this point - especially in a theatre where almost no one has been looking!

 

[stratigo]

The Anchluss focus should, in the cause that austria is annexed, start a war between germany and the annexer of Austria.