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[Doctoxic]

Another WWW (13th April) and still (seemingly) no effect from world tension, which allows Hungary to just invade wherever they want with no consequences.

Wasn't Hitlers first goal was to unify the German speaking peoples (i.e. Austria and part of Czec)? I was expecting GER to declare war on HUN, not send them troops to help them!

Any historians out there care to comment on how plausible the events in todays WWW were?

What (in game) options do countries like GER/FRA/UK have in 1936 in a case like this where HUN invades AUS?

 

[Vonboe]

Have to admit I'm a bit disappointed by the sandbox nature of the what is the "historical" mode

 

[Anichent]

The stream did have problems, but not the ones you are thinking. OP your understanding of world events is too coloured by what actually happened.

Heck just in 1935 Italy and Germany almost went to war over Austria, and Hitler was afraid in that case because he was not confident he would win.
This was a very volatile time and a lot could have happened.

The major problem with the stream is it seems there is a huge problem with Austria and Hungary.

Germany was not the only one under a heavy burden by the Allies. Austria and Hungary BOTH had severe troops and military limits and they would NOT have stood for either one expanding. Just as France and the UK get a chance to respond to Germany when they reoccupy the Rhineland, there should be some way for the UK and France to respond to Austria or Hungary declaring war on someone because in reality there is a lot of reason to believe they wont not have stood for it. Especially not the two reuniting. Ever.

 

[Chukada]

I imagine world tension would have an impact on the laws affecting industry for the allied and Soviet nations.

Therefore raising the world tension very high early on would doom the Axis because the allies would be outproducing them even before 1939.

That's my hope anyways.

 

[Constans]

I dunno... I'm pretty excited by how it looks like the game isn't on rails anymore. Many more possibilities.

 

[YellowMoonshine]

Germany was not the only one under a heavy burden by the Allies. Austria and Hungary BOTH had severe troops and military limits and they would NOT have stood for either one expanding. Just as France and the UK get a chance to respond to Germany when they reoccupy the Rhineland, there should be some way for the UK and France to respond to Austria or Hungary declaring war on someone because in reality there is a lot of reason to believe they wont not have stood for it. Especially not the two reuniting. Ever.

Yeah but if any of that was in the game those minor nations would become unplayable/extremely limited, and the world conquest crowd would be all up in arms. So it's really a case of another point for gameplay vs. realism. And as long as the AI doesn't go on these sorts of Danielesque rampages I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Vonboe]

I dunno... I'm pretty excited by how it looks like the game isn't on rails anymore. Many more possibilities.

But isn't that why they made two game modes? one for people who don't want any boundaries"non-historical" and one for those who liked how hoi3 was played "historical"?

 

[ShiaoPi]

It feels really out of place that all the restrictions from the treaties after WW1 are just left out for Hungary and Austria. In general a rearming Hungary/Austria would have been quite alarming to the world considering the extent of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and what was still claimed by extremists in both of these countries

 

[Zaku]

But isn't that why they made two game modes? one for people who don't want any boundaries"non-historical" and one for those who liked how hoi3 was played "historical"?

Historical mode doesn't deny the player to make unhistorical choices.
It only railroads the AI in chosing the historical national focuses. The rules of the game are still the same.

 

[podcat]

Yeah but if any of that was in the game those minor nations would become unplayable/extremely limited, and the world conquest crowd would be all up in arms. So it's really a case of another point for gameplay vs. realism. And as long as the AI doesn't go on these sorts of Danielesque rampages I don't have a problem with it.

I'm not sure if Daniel mentioned it and I couldnt watch stream today but the AI currently has some issues with stopping that particular way Daniel declares wars and expands. We will be reworking that before release so AI will step up and place guarantees to stop early expansions in a similar way it does to germany doing this. It has to do with generated tension by that particular nation and the fact that he can declare war on anyone with zero time delay, leaving no real time for AI to step in. The way tension works the allies can not simply declare war until its higher, they have to guarantee nations first and this leaves no room for that.

 

[Zaku]

I'm not sure if Daniel mentioned it and I couldnt watch stream today but the AI currently has some issues with stopping that particular way Daniel declares wars and expands. We will be reworking that before release so AI will step up and place guarantees to stop early expansions in a similar way it does to germany doing this. It has to do with generated tension by that particular nation and the fact that he can declare war on anyone with zero time delay, leaving no real time for AI to step in. The way tension works the allies can not simply declare war, they have to guarantee nations first and this leaves no room for that.

So in short Daniel is not only save scumming, but he exploits a bug as well.

 

[kviiri]

So in short Daniel is not only save scumming, but he exploits a bug as well.

He'd be a poor QA general if he didn't.

 

[Doctoxic]

I'm not sure if Daniel mentioned it and I couldnt watch stream today but the AI currently has some issues with stopping that particular way Daniel declares wars and expands. We will be reworking that before release so AI will step up and place guarantees to stop early expansions in a similar way it does to germany doing this. It has to do with generated tension by that particular nation and the fact that he can declare war on anyone with zero time delay, leaving no real time for AI to step in. The way tension works the allies can not simply declare war until its higher, they have to guarantee nations first and this leaves no room for that.

thanks for the update - makes sense

 

[CassCD]

I'm not sure if Daniel mentioned it and I couldnt watch stream today but the AI currently has some issues with stopping that particular way Daniel declares wars and expands. We will be reworking that before release so AI will step up and place guarantees to stop early expansions in a similar way it does to germany doing this. It has to do with generated tension by that particular nation and the fact that he can declare war on anyone with zero time delay, leaving no real time for AI to step in. The way tension works the allies can not simply declare war until its higher, they have to guarantee nations first and this leaves no room for that.

I see where this is going. So begins the story of the Allied developers against Axis Daniel. Only time will tell if they can successfully invade Daniel's office in order to stop him from exploiting/breaking the game!

 

[jockedahl]

If you're good at the game, it will most likely always be paint the world in your color vs ai. Unless there is some sort of harsh anti-blob mechanic.

If they put harsh anti-blob mechanics that can severly limit the fun of the game especially for the majority customer that isn't super good at the game but rather fairly new.

Either limit yourself and play more roleplay or go play multiplayer I think. Or go play mods that make it harsher.

 

[GhengisKhan]

But isn't that why they made two game modes? one for people who don't want any boundaries"non-historical" and one for those who liked how hoi3 was played "historical"?

No they made the modes to make the AI act more historical not the players.

 

[panzerzombie]

Podcat should beat Daniel with a stick for constantly breaking the game.....oh, wait its his job ? pfff beat him anyway

 

[Thiomay]

, there should be some way for the UK and France to respond to Austria or Hungary declaring war on someone because in reality there is a lot of reason to believe they wont not have stood for it. Especially not the two reuniting. Ever.

The strange thing here is hungary wanting to conquer austria. Now there is the austrian province of 'Burgenland' which was part of the kingdom of hungery until the end of the habsburg monachy. They might want that tiny part back. But that didn't seem to be an option. So why? Hungary was liked it's autonomy from austria a lot. There is a reason why you know the state as austro-hungerian empire. Even the monachists who wanted a habsburgian king wpuldn't want a personalunion with austria at this point.

The allies as in france and britain where far away why should they intervine any time soon. But all of hungerys other neibours had a lot more formerly hungarian terretory than austria and had resently been fighting hungery over it (1919). they would actually be threatend by an attack on austria. So why don't czechoslovakia or rumania intervene?

I was expecting GER to declare war on HUN, not send them troops to help them!

True that is weird. However they couldn't have known hungery would annex all of austria. Because why should they? Okay the proclaimed war goal to conquer eastern austria (conviniently but unprecisely named lower austria) was already quite ambitious. The plan of the nazis was destabilizing austria to justify an annexation. So the enemy of austrias goverment would have been there ally... No, it's still weird over all. But we can't really expect scriped what if scenarios for whenever the player does something compleatly implausible. And I'm not convinced this is a fundamental mechanical issue.

 

[uleslaw]

Actually, French bombers over Budapest after the fall of Vienna would be really cool. (or some economical/diplomatic santions. land invasion obviously impossible).

 

[lekim]

I imagine world tension would have an impact on the laws affecting industry for the allied and Soviet nations.

Therefore raising the world tension very high early on would doom the Axis because the allies would be outproducing them even before 1939.

That's my hope anyways.

This is what happens. After 25% tension certain branches of focus tress for allies gets unlocked.

World tension is not a problem with this play though. The problem is Germany did not defend Austria which they should.