PI patching strategy and the Steam/GG divide
- Thread starter Mendeth
- Start date
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
- Status
Thanks. That is a pretty clear statement by Johan that the only beta patches will be through Steam.
So the question: is Orinsul's suggestion workable to patch/beta patch GG-purchased CK2?
Otherwise, much though I loathe Steam for its burning treasured save games in progress by intermittently resetting itself from "don't patch" to "autopatch" in past years, I suppose I need to cancel GG preorder and use Steam instead.
There will be no significant difference in patching between various versions. A few hours difference between timezones of servers and business hours is the maximum.
Patching is not optional in Steam, therefore there will be no beta patches, but more smaller patches. Beta patches are experimental changes to be tested. Thus making beta patches mandatory, you are forcing people to accept untested changes. Simply put, current beta patches system is a no-go for an automatic update system.
And due to checksums and multiplayer issues, there will be no difference in patching between various versions. You will just have more smaller patches and there will be no significant difference where you bought it.
And it gets better. The Boss said that by the end of the year we will be able to purchase and download games directly from Paradox, this third version is bound to be compatible and have same update patching strategy.
Patching is not optional in Steam, therefore there will be no beta patches, but more smaller patches. Beta patches are experimental changes to be tested. Thus making beta patches mandatory, you are forcing people to accept untested changes. Simply put, current beta patches system is a no-go for an automatic update system.
And due to checksums and multiplayer issues, there will be no difference in patching between various versions. You will just have more smaller patches and there will be no significant difference where you bought it.
And it gets better. The Boss said that by the end of the year we will be able to purchase and download games directly from Paradox, this third version is bound to be compatible and have same update patching strategy.
Actually in the current proposed system with steam you should get two library entries, CK2 and CK2 beta similar to the system RO2 and TF2 use...
So with the "beta on Steam only" policy, does this mean that the GG version has only the CK2 library and the customer can't obtain, install, or use any beta patches (those in the CK2 beta library but not in the CK2 library)?
Thanks.
You should be able to go to Properties-->Updates-->and select "Do not automatically update this game."
I have not read anything from the devs to say anything to contradict that, unless you have a friend who has it on steam and you copy the files (which would be very very naughty), and barring the devs uploading the files to the forums i dont think it is possible
how are steam patches installed? can you direct where it installs them? or temporarily empty the folder it designates, install the patch, copy out the patch stuff, then put the game back there and install the patch again without having to reinstall everything?
Really as i said before, GG doesnt need an installer, so wouldnt it be fairly easy to just put the patch files together in a RAR for GG users?
Really as i said before, GG doesnt need an installer, so wouldnt it be fairly easy to just put the patch files together in a RAR for GG users?
Steam patches install to the game folder in steamapps, If you empty the folder it will redownload the entire game+the beta patch
Please confirm re GamersGate if the answer is that the beta set of files is available only if I have a separate Steam installation of the game on another machine and Copy the files over? Or is that not possible (or is not permitted between two licensed copies)?
There are no "beta files". User who activated their game in Steam will get access to two versions of the game, the normal game and a beta game. Both are separated and can be played and installed separated but are only available if you have the steam game verision.
I thank you for your time in answering, but that does not address my actual question.
(It appears that pre-ordering from GG was a mistake both in terms of the product being offered by them and in terms of my being unaware that it was no longer Paradoxian, but I'd like to be sure that there actually is a product problem before seeking to reverse the transaction on that basis. I'm sure I'm not the only GG buyer for whom beta patches would be an issue.)
P.S. By beta files I meant files comprising the beta game.
I can't make sense of the question you asked. If you have the game on Steam you will have access to the beta versions. If you don't, you won't.
The context was the discussion in preceding posts - maybe I should spell it out.
Question: Is it impossible for a player to beta patch a GamersGate CK2?
I recently learned that beta patches will not be posted in the forums. They are only available to Steam versions of the game and it is clear how that works - see above.)
But, based on ideas above, if I have a GG installation on desktop and a Steam installation on laptop, can I beta patch the GG installation by copying over the Steam CK2 beta installation files on the laptop to my GG installation on the desktop? Or could I do this but would need to use Steam on the desktop as well to copy?
Or is there another way?
Question: Is it impossible for a player to beta patch a GamersGate CK2?
I recently learned that beta patches will not be posted in the forums. They are only available to Steam versions of the game and it is clear how that works - see above.)
But, based on ideas above, if I have a GG installation on desktop and a Steam installation on laptop, can I beta patch the GG installation by copying over the Steam CK2 beta installation files on the laptop to my GG installation on the desktop? Or could I do this but would need to use Steam on the desktop as well to copy?
Or is there another way?
No. Patches through steam happen through the client and there is no way to copy and paste the beta patch to the GG's version.
That said, beta patches are expected to have a short lifetime and official versions for GG will likely not ever be far behind.
Edit: Also, do you know that you can have steam and GG games on different computers, or the the steam game and the gg game on the same? Your example seems to indicate otherwise.
That said, beta patches are expected to have a short lifetime and official versions for GG will likely not ever be far behind.
Edit: Also, do you know that you can have steam and GG games on different computers, or the the steam game and the gg game on the same? Your example seems to indicate otherwise.
Do you buy 2 copies of the game, from GG and from Steam? And if you have the steam version, why don't you install it on your desktop?
Tsk... "Expecting" and "Likely" do not seem to inspire much trust, sorry to say. "Unexpected" or "unlikely" things always happen. Forcing to munch Steam to get beta patches is truly a kick in the XXX. Perhaps is more wise to not get preorder bonuses and wait for the later official patching.
You're welcome to search old threads for the quotes from the devs who said these things without any qualifiers, which I added simply because I have no idea how it will actually happen.
- Status