Physicians => Earnable benefits

[Rags17]

Now that our Court Physician can earn the Physician trait I think that it's time that honorary title holders and Councillors should be able to earn new traits and benefits as well. The thinking is simple - if you act in a job long enough you (should) get better at it and keep those benefits even if you later lose the job.

My first thought was just honorary title holders (eg Cupbearer, Master of the Horse etc) and just a trait addition, but then I realised that even Chancellors and Stewards should get other advantages out of their job. AS an example, the Master of Horse might gain the Cavalry Leader trait, the Keeper of the Swans might get the Gardener or Poet trait, the Chancellor might gain a free Favour, the Designated Regent might gain temporary Prestige modifier etc.

Of course to balance it all out the chance to fire should be based on character skill and include the chance for a negative effect, eg the Master of Horse gets kicked by a horse in training and becomes Wounded, Keeper of Swans kills all the birds and loses Prestige, the Chancellor insults someone in conversation and gets himself into a Duel or the Designated Regent alienates his Lord and becomes a Rival.

At the very least, barring any event chains for these positions it might encourage players to accept their Lord's offer to become their Court Chaplain or whatever.

 

[zharliette]

I like the idea but with a minor adjustment - make it more likely for councillors to pick a focus that corresponds to their job, so they can earn beneficial traits that way. I mean, you won't become a magnificent spymaster if you are off hunting all the time, right?

 

[Rags17]

I like the idea but with a minor adjustment - make it more likely for councillors to pick a focus that corresponds to their job, so they can earn beneficial traits that way. I mean, you won't become a magnificent spymaster if you are off hunting all the time, right?

True, but the Court Physician can gain the Physician trait no matter what else he's doing, so it would be a simple matter to add Focus effects to the MTTH, eg the Master of the Horse might get a the Cavalry Leader trait if he acts in the job long enough, with a much higher chance if he is using the Hunting or War Focus . . .

 

[Don_giorgio]

Also we could make traits like "former Chancellor" ,"former Marshall" etc.

Those traits would be gained upon exiting the office and will give a slight prestige bonus and maybe a boost when they ask for a favour (due to influence in court).

 

[Robert II]

This is something that should have been added a long long time ago. There's precious little going on with the council positions.

 

[Enlil]

I'd really like to see minor titles become more useful in game.

 

[Don_giorgio]

This is something that should have been added a long long time ago. There's precious little going on with the council positions.

Of cource they would lose the trait if they are reappointed to the same office (they will retain the trait if they are appointed to different office)

And speaking of traits Paradox plz give us the "Beatification" and "Canonisation" traits back!

We ve been waiting for them since CKI...

 

[Fishman786]

I think it makes sense for the council titles, but roles like 'keeper of the swans' and 'cupbearer' are honorary and the game makes it rather ambiguous as to whether or not those people are actually working. Being made 'keeper of the swans' wouldn't be much of an honour if you had to actually go and chase birds around all day.

 

[Rags17]

I think it makes sense for the council titles, but roles like 'keeper of the swans' and 'cupbearer' are honorary and the game makes it rather ambiguous as to whether or not those people are actually working. Being made 'keeper of the swans' wouldn't be much of an honour if you had to actually go and chase birds around all day.

Maybe that was a bad example, but even ignoring the fact that for most of the CK2 period the title would have actually had a hands on component to the job, I can still see having the job as providing certain benefits. Just because you don't necessarily feed or pluck the swans doesn't mean that you don't oversea their housing, breeding and display at court functions. Overseeing a successful dinner function would accrue a certain amount of prestige even if all you did was make sure that the local lowborn kitchen manager got all the birds cooked, dressed and served on time.

 

[Don_giorgio]

I think it makes sense for the council titles, but roles like 'keeper of the swans' and 'cupbearer' are honorary and the game makes it rather ambiguous as to whether or not those people are actually working. Being made 'keeper of the swans' wouldn't be much of an honour if you had to actually go and chase birds around all day.

Like the Byzantine title of Kouropalates.

Originally the officer holding that title was responsible for the maintenance of the Great Palace (Cura Palatii). Things like shopping, fixing problems, repairs etc. However that changed in 6th century when Emperor Justinian named his nephew and heir to the throne Justin as Kouropalates.

He thought that it wasnt befitting a prince to do all the dirty work around the Palace so he turned the office of Kouropalates into a purely honorific one and created a second office the "Great Curator" subordinate to Kouropalates and tasked him to do all the work previously done by the Kouropalates.

 

[riadach]

I do want a court poet though.

I also feel some positions could become hereditary.

 

[Don_giorgio]

I do want a court poet though.

I also feel some positions could become hereditary.

Like the English office of Earl Marshal?

 

[riadach]

Like the English office of Earl Marshal?

Like the irish hereditary bards, physicians, historians, marshalls, privy-cleaners and flatulists.

 

[Rags17]

Like the irish hereditary bards, physicians, historians, marshalls, privy-cleaners and flatulists.

Flatulants ? Now you're just blowing hot air !

 

[riadach]

Flatulants ? Now you're just blowing hot air !

Professional flatulists bragaire were commonplace at Irish courts it seems. Ranked with jesters.

 

[Rags17]

Professional flatulists bragaire were commonplace at Irish courts it seems. Ranked with jesters.

Okay, just to make sure that we are speaking the same language.

Do you mean "flatulist" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulist
Or did you mean "flautist" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flute


EDIT - Okay don't worry, I just read the article on flatulists and it seems that that IS what you meant. Amazing !