Philosopher king and talentend

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If you pick the talented trait (+1 lvl for leaders) and the philosopher king civic (+2 lvl for ruler), shouldnt your ruler be lvl 3 or does the ruler not count as a leader?
 

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Supposedly the 1.5.1 beta fixed the Philosopher King bug today, so it should work now (I don't know if there was a problem with Talented; that's not mentioned in the patch notes)

EDIT: It's an opt-in beta you have to select on Steam (see the sticky)
 

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If you pick the talented trait (+1 lvl for leaders) and the philosopher king civic (+2 lvl for ruler), shouldnt your ruler be lvl 3 or does the ruler not count as a leader?
Actually your ruler should be 4.
1 (base) + 1 (talented) + 2 (Civic).
It should. But the Civic is not working properly (at least for Initial ruler; it might still work for Heirs).

This should be fixed in 1.5.1 beta patch. It is at least among the patchnotes.
 

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If I started with a level 5 leader without picking anything special, did I just luck out?
I think the Initial Ruler is supposed to start on 4 anyway.
At least it always was in a Democracy.

So either Talented or Philosopher King should get you to 5 on that one. But the further ones should be 2, 3 or 4 depending on combination.