Petition to restore Najds missionary strength

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They removed it and put some boring and standard morale boost in it's place.
To give it a fighting chance against France. Which is now pretty weak.

Time to post a new petition thread!

Actually, I am lazy and will just edit the post. :p
 

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I totally agree. Sign me on.
 

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This is ridiculous. Unique national ideas is what makes a lot of countries fun to play with. How can they just randomly take it away? I was pissed too when they took away Austria's diplo cost reduction. Stop making everything so bland and similar.

I agree. If 5% missionary strength is OP ( I don't see how) then give something else that is super unique. Most of the countries I play I ONLY pick and play them because they have some very unique ideas. For that matter add much more unique ideas to the game please. Most countries are wayyy too similar. I don't even care if it is something silly, like all copper is worth twice more for you. This is part of the re-playability of the game for me.
 
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So, I made a funny post on Reddit about hordes, and Wiz would fix events, and send him the link to this thread.

May god/allah/buddha/flying spaghetti monster be with you.
 

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Signed. Why no comment from the devs?
Welcome to the club. See this Flanders thing in my sig? Yeah, it has been present in the game since release and no dev has ever commented on it, even though it's unhistorical AND gameplay-destroying.
 
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Oh boy, I hope we get word from some devs anytime soon. At the very least a justification for the change :)

How can you justify nerfing Najd, which routinely dies in the game, when leaving massively strong NIs + superior religion on the most powerful starting nations, some of which historically declined in this period?

It's impossible to do that. Any basis one could give for nerfing Najd could then be turned on dozen+ other nations, including those most-played, and show the basis to be inconsistently applied. If they want to be self-consistent, they can't answer, because there is no answer unless this was done accidentally which is doubtful.

This change is even more abrasive now given the relative difficulty of releasing heathen vassals into your own faith. Abrahamic nations don't need to Najd-feed, while most of the others aren't near that region. It's not the first time PI has nerfed a weak position when its previous existence caused no significant impact on the flow of a typical game. Unfortunately, it probably won't be the last either.
 

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It doesn't really make historical sense, as early modern Islam wasn't hell-bent on converting anyone (quite the opposite), but then French troops weren't anymore brave than other troops, aside from the ideologically inspired revolution and napoleonic armies, but they get Elan anyway in 1500-ish. So I think the bonus should return.
 

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OK, Najd missionary strength has been restored to 0.5%
 
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It doesn't really make historical sense, as early modern Islam wasn't hell-bent on converting anyone (quite the opposite), but then French troops weren't anymore brave than other troops, aside from the ideologically inspired revolution and napoleonic armies, but they get Elan anyway in 1500-ish. So I think the bonus should return.

Najd does not represent the entirety of early-modern Islam lol. Aside from their missionary strength boost and missionaries in NIs they don't have much impressive going for them. The double-tap nerf (the tribal government hurting even more) turned them from an interesting position to something one wouldn't normally touch unless going for the achievement. How did that make the game better?
 

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Najd does not represent the entirety of early-modern Islam lol. Aside from their missionary strength boost and missionaries in NIs they don't have much impressive going for them. The double-tap nerf (the tribal government hurting even more) turned them from an interesting position to something one wouldn't normally touch unless going for the achievement. How did that make the game better?

"So I think the bonus should return"