Petition to restore Najds missionary strength
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I wonder if this one was done for "balance" purposes or for "immersion/flavor". I can make a case that either justification, in the face of other implementation choices, denotes irrational change behavior, and that it continues a trend.
And yet, smacking them with tribal hurts just as much. It's a double-whammy for no purpose.
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Since I realized I never bothered to pick up Jihad and that it's harder now, that enticed me to attempt it. Tribal federation hurts. -.05 LA doesn't sound like much but across 50 years it's a solid 30% LA. It's 1502 and I'm gearing up for 2nd war vs Mamluks, having blocked the Ottomans before they took the levant mission using Syria as a vassal and unifying the Arabian peninsula. I've crossed into Baluchistan via Hormuz and am annexing a fed Adal, my tech is 3/3/9 
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Missing the missionary strength isn't ideal, and they took a missionary out of the traditions. Najd feels more lackluster now, though the start was always about diplo management. It's probably easier than before since Mamluks are less aggressive and in your face. Allying and gimping the Ottomans while taking all of Mamluks is basically game over though. I can take ports that let me put claims on an easy western tech island and break up Ottoman alliance with Persia by calling them in on QQ.
Removing 5% missionary strength is an annoyance. It's not enough to mandate religious for the achievement, especially not with Mecca giving a missionary to Sunni now, but there was no justification for it. Still, despite Najd being more generic and inheriting a rough government form Jihad is still relatively easy because 500 provinces just isn't that many. I have 55 already, and another 30ish tied up in vassals.
.Missing the missionary strength isn't ideal, and they took a missionary out of the traditions. Najd feels more lackluster now, though the start was always about diplo management. It's probably easier than before since Mamluks are less aggressive and in your face. Allying and gimping the Ottomans while taking all of Mamluks is basically game over though. I can take ports that let me put claims on an easy western tech island and break up Ottoman alliance with Persia by calling them in on QQ.
Removing 5% missionary strength is an annoyance. It's not enough to mandate religious for the achievement, especially not with Mecca giving a missionary to Sunni now, but there was no justification for it. Still, despite Najd being more generic and inheriting a rough government form Jihad is still relatively easy because 500 provinces just isn't that many. I have 55 already, and another 30ish tied up in vassals.
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Signed. This is showing that hordes are not the only victims of stealth nerfs.
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I gladly join the great jihad against paradox to restore Najd ideas.
Because, come on, it's unique. Why do you hate uniqueness and FREEDOM? Damn commies.
Because, come on, it's unique. Why do you hate uniqueness and FREEDOM? Damn commies.
- May 6, 2015
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Alright, I'll sign, but if Byz has such a epic thing as restoring ecumenical patriarchate giving them +3% strenght, what pagan sorcery could give Najd +5%? Encourage polygamy?
Since I realized I never bothered to pick up Jihad and that it's harder now, that enticed me to attempt it. Tribal federation hurts. -.05 LA doesn't sound like much but across 50 years it's a solid 30% LA. It's 1502 and I'm gearing up for 2nd war vs Mamluks, having blocked the Ottomans before they took the levant mission using Syria as a vassal and unifying the Arabian peninsula. I've crossed into Baluchistan via Hormuz and am annexing a fed Adal, my tech is 3/3/9
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Wow, Najd isn't an Iqta anymore? IMO that hurts a lot more than a piddly 5 to 2% missionary strength nerf. If you're doing the achievement, you're going to take religious ideas anyway, and as Sunni it isn't that hard to convert stuff even without religious.
I'm inclined to agree, not having the 5% missionary strength sucks and is the epitome of PI baseless nerfs, but the change from iqta (best of the trash monarchies you start with) to freaking tribal government is miserable. The stuff from Yemen/Oman recently hit 0 LA in my 2nd screenshot:
People talk up tribal federation manpower and FL lately, but in reality you won't be affording that for a while...in part because you can't access ticking -LA or despotic monarchy unrest + theo + religion + stab --> lower auto manually.
BTW that 6 5 6 made me pay, he was weak claim 14 year regency trash mechanic
. At least I got a few wars started just before that began, unfortunately during westernization. Made things interesting. Also before I westernized Ming rivaled me (!).I don't see why I'd go religious though. Even the Persian region I have is Sunni, though those were like 25 month jobs with 100% piety and inquisitor when you have 4 missionaries you're effectively blasting away at 2 provinces/year.
I have around 225 provinces BTW, so really far ahead of pace despite westernizing considering how the end game goes. My only idea group is administrative ^_^. I'm going to front +3 adm advisor and try to vault up after finishing the group for discount + neighbor bonus so I can get ADM efficiency.
- May 6, 2015
- 2.278
- 3.160
In 2 patches Najd got nerfed from a nation that already had a very hard start, to an extremely hard start.
Najd should have higher development, 5% missionary strength, and a very early decision to become a regular monarchy, because he simply can't afford these troops.
Najd should have higher development, 5% missionary strength, and a very early decision to become a regular monarchy, because he simply can't afford these troops.
Sad panda. Najd's ridiculous voncersion bonus was one of those outliers that made them an interesting pick (one of my first RotW tags). Speaking of the achievement, have they fixed it, or is having a religious unity above 100 with 500 provinces still enough? Not that converting was ever a problem for Najd, but somehow it felt wrong that you could have a large number of non-Sunni provinces and still get it.
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It was altered so that you just need 500 Sunni provinces owned directly straight up, regardless of unity.