Petition to rename the new expansion

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I dislike the title myself. And to people who say that title doesn't matter, that means that it can be easily changed. Just use that fancy font again but with different text, and put it in front of the same image.

Is anyone falling head-over-heels over the title, though? Like, would you duel Hamilton for it?
 
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And your graphic art....please, even if you don't change the name, don't include that Runescape-style art in the loading screen. Way to portray Cossacks as safe and lame at the same time. Didn't know it could be done. That's like the IKEA of Cossack art.
This is something where I definitely agree with. For sure, such things like art style are highly subjective, and there are some people who like it. But I personally find this style in EUIV absolutely terrible. It doesn't fit at all to EU game and also the time period. Such art would be appropriate for fantasy or comic based games, something like Runescape or Magica, indeed. But not for Europa Universalis.
 
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I must admit that when I first saw the name of the expansion, I felt it didn't really fit. It doesn't fit the grandeur of the titles of previous expansions, it doesn't fit the content of the expansion, it's just...

It doesn't fit.
 
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I dislike the name beacuse of the ukrainians/russians spamming the video trailer that this expansion is only about them.
 
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Rename the expansion? What about the content? Who cares what the name is as long as it is good!

You yourself are aware of the situation, so why does it matter to you? Because of the latin pattern? Come on!
 
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I was going to do my usual mocking reply here but honestly this post adequately mocks itself.
I was more thinking you would reply with "no".

I am disappointed in you Wiz.
 
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Is there any other argument for changing the expansion name, other than "i dont like cossacks"?

I don't know about changing it, I think most people realise that's not going to happen. But there are plenty of arguments why people don't think it's a good name. I suggest reading the thread.



(Unless you mean arguments other then "I don't like "The Cossacks"." In this case, no. This is a thread about not liking "The Cossacks", you don't give alternative arguments to your premise.)
 

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HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not just a song, it's an epic Vangelis album, soundtrack for one of the best films about the New World and one of the greatest achievements of modern music, you filthy heathen.

There is actually a book published in 1990 by Kirkpatrick Sale called "The Conquest of Paradise: Christopher Columbus and the Columbia Legacy. This the literature connection could possibly still stand.

Anyways, I like "The Cossacks" as the new expansion name. It reminds me of when I started playing Age of Empires 3 and would laugh at the weak but numerous Russian infantry then get my face wrecked by Cossacks.
 
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Conquest of Paradise, Res Publica, El Dorado and The Cossacks are not named after books. The idea that all expansions are named after books has never actually been true.
I think that should eb a new philosophy in all honesty, but then I like little things this.
 

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While I don't agree the OP's reasoning, I also feel that "The Cossacks" is not a great name for this expansion as they are a very small part of the expansion's announced features. A name that more broadly referenced the estates might better reflect the expansion. I don't think its worth changing the name at this point, but its something to keep in mind for future expansions.
 
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What's Conquest of Paradise named after?

Just to make sure people actually hear that awesome (in the old meaning of the word) song, here:
 
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"The Art of War" is also a book by Machiavelli (worth mentioning since AoW isn't exactly a china expansion).



I think it breaks the pattern in so far that all other names seem to have quite an epic, universal scale. "The Cossacks" makes it seem like it's a regional expansion about a minor steppe people.

Also worth mentioning that there's a copy of "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu on sale as an EU4 DLC with a forward by Thomas Johansson. Here's the whole thing:

PREFACE

It is not exactly clear when Sun Tzu wrote the Art of War, nor even who he was, but it was
certainly written well before the time period covered by Europa Universalis IV; probably
some 2500 years ago. Still,the teachings of this the classic of all classics about warfare
would surely have been just as useful to Wallenstein and Gustavus Adolpus as it was to the
ancient Chinese generals or indeed will be to the modern Europa Universalis player. The
book was probably not known to the captains of the Thirty Years’ War however, since the
first European translation, into French, didn’t appear until 1772.

The book is structured into thirteen chapters, covering all aspects of warfare from
planning and alliances to maneuver, terrain and espionage. It’s written in an old-fashioned
poetic style. Some of its teachings are very concrete, such as the advice to attack if you
have 5 to 1 odds, while others are much more poetic/philosophical. For me, reading Sun
Tzu is a bit of a meditative exercise. It’s not a list of dos and don’ts but wise words to
consider as you discern your strategy. Reading it while pondering strategic problems from
future or past campaigns in a game can give you new insights.

When it comes to Europa Universalis, the game which has put this copy of Sun Tzu in
your hand, each chapter has something to bring to your experience, just as it has something
to teach to just about any field where you manage resources towards victory. The main
thrust of Sun Tzu is an indirect approach to warfare and, ideally, winning without fighting.
The skilled general should have won the battle before his army finds itself in the same
province as the enemy and even won the war before he presses that Declare War button. One of
the biggest mistake new EU players make is believing that the first thing they need to do is find
someone to declare war on, since the point of a strategy game is fighting. This is often a mistake,
the objective of a strategy game is to win, not simply fight. This is the approach that Sun
Tzu teaches us. Know your own nation and its strengths and weaknesses, know the enemy and
his strengths and weaknesses and know the land over which you are going to fight, including
all potential allies and enemies. The conclusion that wars are won before they are fought also
implies that it is disadvantageous to fight a battle that cannot be won. When you find yourself
the smaller nation under attack by a larger, don’t waste your army in a lost battle; preserve your
force, give up a province or two and fight another day. Sun Tzu says: First make sure you cannot
be defeated, then wait for an opportunity where you can defeat the enemy.

When using Sun Tzu as a guide to playing Europa Universalis IV my advice would be
to start playing the game, use the hints and the tutorial to get into it and launch your campaign.
Then, after playing for a while, take an extended break, find a comfy sofa and read
the book with your recent campaigns at the back of your head. What can Sun Tzu teach you
about achieving victory, and what can his wisdom tell you about the mistakes you made?
Many great generals in history have been guided by the wisdom of Sun Tzu. I hope Sun Tzu
will be your guide to victory and that you will have a great time playing Europa Universalis IV.

Thomas Johansson Stockholm, July 7th 2013
Project Lead, Europa Universalis IV
 
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