What do you mean?
You can play as the Sforza in Milan (if you start later, that is; in 1444 it's ruled by the Visconti), just like you can play the D'Este in Ferrara. Those are monarchies.
Petition regarding the Republic of Florence
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What do you mean?
You can play as the Sforza in Milan (if you start later, that is; in 1444 it's ruled by the Visconti), just like you can play the D'Este in Ferrara. Those are monarchies.
In general talking about the families of Republics as examples. Having a mechanism where if the same family (may be generic or historical for some other republics) keeps getting re-elected, the government may change and those allow for duchy status and maybe grand duchy status (we could see things like Grand Duchy of Tuscany or something new like Grande Duchy of Umbria or Grand Duchy of Romagna, etc..).
...Milan had been a monarchy for almost two centuries, and I'm not sure Ferrara was ever a republic.
EDIT: It was, apparently, but like Milan, it had been a monarchy for 200 years, at game start.
No, I'm going to erase any mention of it from my hard drive then never think of it again.
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You say that, but I actually did that once. Did a whole bunch of stuff for Switzerland. A few months later I recalled that I'd done it but couldn't find the files anywhere and couldn't recall any specifics about the content.
Why I voted disagree:
1. The change proposed is superficial, cosmetic. A rename of a minor country or a government change there won't achieve the results that the OP says it would.
2. Proposed provincial changes are chaotic, random, unrelated to Florence and not sourced properly.
3. I don't like the very idea of a petition, ideas must be judged based on merit, not the size of the mob supporting them.
1. The change proposed is superficial, cosmetic. A rename of a minor country or a government change there won't achieve the results that the OP says it would.
2. Proposed provincial changes are chaotic, random, unrelated to Florence and not sourced properly.
3. I don't like the very idea of a petition, ideas must be judged based on merit, not the size of the mob supporting them.
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Have you read the whole thread and especially neondt's proposal of ideas, events, government and décisions? This would make Florence (Republic with special mechanisms) play very differently than Tuscany (regional monarchy available to other countries: Pisa, Siena, Lucca).
As one of the birthplace of the Renaissance and one of the most emblematic Republic of the game (alongside Venice, Genoa and the Dutch Republic), I personally think they deserve this.
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I still don't see why all these suggestions for Tuscany/Florence shouldn't be contained within the mechanics. You already become a monarchy when you re-elect too many times, becoming a Grand Duchy should be part of the government ranks system and any special government form should be also given to other Italian Minors.
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Why I voted agree:
1. The change proposed is historical and adds flavor to a region in need of it. Adding a formable with relevant events and missions would achieve this result.
2. Proposed provincial changes are a start and could be worked on further in order to flesh out Italy more.
3. I like the idea of a petition, while ideas must be judged based on merit, they should also be judged on the popularity of it. Changes can be more successfully when they are from the bottom-up than from the top-down. Careful attention to the needs of mob is not enough, the mob must also play a major part in decision taking.
4. Lastly, when both slargos and delra vote disagree, you know that its a good idea
1. The change proposed is historical and adds flavor to a region in need of it. Adding a formable with relevant events and missions would achieve this result.
2. Proposed provincial changes are a start and could be worked on further in order to flesh out Italy more.
3. I like the idea of a petition, while ideas must be judged based on merit, they should also be judged on the popularity of it. Changes can be more successfully when they are from the bottom-up than from the top-down. Careful attention to the needs of mob is not enough, the mob must also play a major part in decision taking.
4. Lastly, when both slargos and delra vote disagree, you know that its a good idea
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Bear in mind there was the suggestion that Florence and Tuscany should have different idea sets because of the different focus under the republic and the feudal state.
So all that will happen is that they start with Italian Minor ideas and then get Tuscan ideas after conquering one province (and waiting a bit for ADM10)? That seems like an unnecessary addition, in what situation would you not form them?
Not Italian ideas, but specific Florentine ideas with Guelph and Ghibellines Influence, Savonarela's "democracy", Italian conflicts and Florentine Bankers. While Tuscany gets modified ideas based on the later part of the history as a Duchy/Grand-Duchy (for example, relating to its secundogenitur nature) and also includes ideas relating to Pisa and/or Siena (as the country can be founded by those aswell). Also, Florentine Bankers
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Bear in mind that they could also rename Tuscany to Florence if they don't want to include a new tag for the sake of performance.
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Perhaps renaming Scandinavia into Kalmar Union would make it lot less annoying.
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Not Italian ideas, but specific Florentine ideas with Guelph and Ghibellines Influence, Savonarela's "democracy", Italian conflicts and Florentine Bankers. While Tuscany gets modified ideas based on the later part of the history as a Duchy/Grand-Duchy (for example, relating to its secundogenitur nature) and also includes ideas relating to Pisa and/or Siena (as the country can be founded by those aswell). Also, Florentine Bankers
Historically, im not sure there was that much of a difference between Florence and Tuscany, they both varied depending on the ruler at the time, certainly not enough to justify an entirely new idea set. Ultimately, I really don't think the gameplay benefits warrant the addition of so much, which is what is being argued.
So Historically, you'd consider that there is not much difference between being a republic or an hereditary monarchy? At the end of the period, Tuscany was ruled by Habsbourgs and Bourbons, you're telling me that it was still a Republic?
Gameplaywise, neondt proposed a whole new way of playing Florence, and also introduced the possibility to form Tuscany as other nations like Siena, Lucca or Pisa. I'm sorry I disagree with you if you don't see gameplay benefits from this.
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