Petition regarding the Republic of Florence

[neondt]

forming tuscany gives
1. monarchy government
2. claims on all tuscan provinces (provided that not all provinces are necessary for formation, otherwise cores?)
3. access to florentine/tuscan flavor if formed by another nation than florence
4. different ideas if formed by someone else than florence (rid yourself of boring italian minor ideas), can also provide florence with other ideas if florence gets their own ideas
5. primary nation of tuscan culture
6. one time prestige bonus

requirements:
1. own florence, siena and pisa (other tuscan provinces like lucca not required)
2. admin 10
3. primary culture is tuscan

So what you want is basically this:

Spoiler

country_decisions = {

   tuscan_nation = {
     major = yes
     potential = {
       # usual stuff
       normal_or_historical_nations = yes
       OR = {
         ai = no
         is_playing_custom_nation = no
       }
       is_colonial_nation = no
       OR = {
         is_former_colonial_nation = no
         AND = {
           is_former_colonial_nation = yes
           ai = no
         }
       }
       OR = {
         ai = no
         AND = {
           ai = yes
           num_of_cities = 3
         }
       }
       # important bits
       NOT = { exists = TUS }
       primary_culture = tuscan

     }
     allow = {
       adm_tech = 10
       
       owns_core_province = 115 # pisa
       owns_core_province = 116 # florence
       owns_core_province = 117 # siena   
     
       is_at_war = no
       is_subject = no
     }
       effect = {
       change_tag = TUS
       swap_free_idea_group = yes
       add_prestige = 25
       if = {
         limit = {
           government = republic
         }
         change_government = despotic_monarchy
       }
       every_province = {
         limit = {
           culture = tuscan
           NOT = {
             owned_by = ROOT
           }
           add_claim = ROOT
         }
       }
     }
   }
}

 

[Nassau]

To form Tuscany you should also have: 1. good relations with the pope, 2. atleast one cardinal and 3. prestige above 50 (representing all the art of Florence) allowing other nations to accept the greatness of Florence.

 

[Metz]

To form Tuscany you should also have: 1. good relations with the pope, 2. atleast one cardinal and 3. prestige above 50 (representing all the art of Florence) allowing other nations to accept the greatness of Florence.

Also being a monarchy should be pre-requisite.

 

[Nassau]

Also being a monarchy should be pre-requisite.

Or a certain family should be in charge for a longer time, aka republican tradition.

 

[Metz]

forming tuscany gives
1. monarchy government
2. claims on all tuscan provinces (provided that not all provinces are necessary for formation, otherwise cores?)
3. access to florentine/tuscan flavor if formed by another nation than florence
4. different ideas if formed by someone else than florence (rid yourself of boring italian minor ideas), can also provide florence with other ideas if florence gets their own ideas
5. primary nation of tuscan culture
6. one time prestige bonus

requirements:
1. own florence, siena and pisa (other tuscan provinces like lucca not required)
2. admin 10
3. primary culture is tuscan

Florence should be a monarchy beforehand. They were awarded Duchy status and stopped being a republic in 1532. This status further allowed them to expand and eventually assume Grand Duchy status.

 

[Metz]

Or a certain family should be in charge for a longer time, aka republican tradition.

Perhaps below 50 republican tradition after everytime we elect a de medici.

 

[Metz]

So Wiz, what do you think so far?

 

[Pigeoncount]

I'm not Wiz (shocker), but reading your posts, I don't feel convinced that there is much of a gameplay difference between Tuscany and Florence, which is what Wiz wanted to consider it as a possible addition. I do not feel strongly either way, but I think you should provide more definitive examples of how the flavor of Tuscany would make the game a richer experience to convince me, or someone like Wiz.

 

[petertel123]

I'm not Wiz (shocker), but reading your posts, I don't feel convinced that there is much of a gameplay difference between Tuscany and Florence, which is what Wiz wanted to consider it as a possible addition. I do not feel strongly either way, but I think you should provide more definitive examples of how the flavor of Tuscany would make the game a richer experience to convince me, or someone like Wiz.

it provides more difference than a load of formables do right now, and what can be considered sufficient? diffferent ideas and a different government form seem sufficient to me

 

[Galaahd]

Events are a definitive possibility, but no promises.

Give me a substantial enough (gameplay) difference between Florence & Tuscany and I'll consider it as well.

Please add Savonarola then!

Between 1494 and 1498 Savonarola, a monk, took over Florence and turned it into some sort of radical reformed "theocracy" until he was burnt at the stake by the catholic church. Under many aspects it was similar to what the Anabaptists would do in Munster a few decades later, under the Reformation.

I think that having the possibility of a proto-reformer would be really nice, it could be tied to Reform desire.

 

[MiniaAr]

Wiz, a good gameplay addition would be to have the republic of Florence with a government akin to the Dutch Republic, with a Republican slider between Medici and Signoria. Then the Duchy of Tuscany is a monarchy that can be formed with 100% Medici slider and some other conditions posted above.

You would thus have another very unique republican government (this could be part of ResPublica) for Florence, while the Tuscan tag would be reserved for either a very Medici Florence or other monarchies uniting the Tuscan region (Pisa, Siena, Lucca).
There should be no issue with the possibility to form Italy, as Savoy>Sardinia-Piemont>Italy and Brandenbourg/Teutons>Prussia>Germany are already very popular formations. Having a Florence>Tuscany>Italy would in my opinion be popular as well.

 

[Galaahd]

Perhaps below 50 republican tradition after everytime we elect a de medici.

That would be cool. Exchanging Republican Tradition for continuously electing a Medici ruler until they turn it into a monarchy.

 

[Galaahd]

Wiz, a good gameplay addition would be to have the republic of Florence have a government akin to the Dutch Republic, with a Republican slider between Medici and Signoria. Then the Duchy of Tuscany is a monarchy that can be formed with 100% Medici slider and some other conditions posted above.

You mean Republic rather than Signoria? Signorie were more often than not de facto monarchies, that's what the term means.

 

[MiniaAr]

You mean Republic rather than Signoria? Signorie were more often than not de facto monarchies, that's what the term means.

I meant the City Council independent of the major Medici dynasty, the more democratic part of Florence's government. With a maximal slider on this side, you would have something close to Savonarola's government.
Maybe there is a better word for it, I'd be glad to be enlightned.

 

[Metz]

Also just for the sake of historicity should Florence be added regardless of difference between Tuscany and Florence. It is a historical game after all. Plus one more tag wouldn't be felt in a different of game speed. They did say that the 1.12 tests run faster than the 1.11 ones.

 

[petertel123]

Also just for the sake of historicity should Florence be added regardless of difference between Tuscany and Florence. It is a historical game after all. Plus one more tag wouldn't be felt in a different of game speed. They did say that the 1.12 tests run faster than the 1.11 ones.

Indeed, Italy was very important in this timeframe and unlike some other tags (COUGH lebanon, catalonia, hindustan, loads of chinese revolters COUGH) florence actually existed as a state

 

[MiniaAr]

Another gameplay reason for a Florence tag from the German thread:
If you form Italy, you leave the HRE (provided you're not an elector). Therefore, a Florence player that wants to become a monarchy but don't want to leave the HRE will probably stick to the Tuscan tag and not form Italy. A formable Tuscany can be a good alternative to Italy for a medium size high developement playthrough for a lot of nations (not only Florence, but also Siena, Pisa and Lucca).

 

[Flush62]

A Florence tag would be more exciting than the Etruria tag, which you can't form (as far as I know) and only appears for a couple of years. Just remove Etruria and add Florence.

 

[jdavis86]

Wiz, a good gameplay addition would be to have the republic of Florence with a government akin to the Dutch Republic, with a Republican slider between Medici and Signoria. Then the Duchy of Tuscany is a monarchy that can be formed with 100% Medici slider and some other conditions posted above.

You would thus have another very unique republican government (this could be part of ResPublica) for Florence, while the Tuscan tag would be reserved for either a very Medici Florence or other monarchies uniting the Tuscan region (Pisa, Siena, Lucca).
There should be no issue with the possibility to form Italy, as Savoy>Sardinia-Piemont>Italy and Brandenbourg/Teutons>Prussia>Germany are already very popular formations. Having a Florence>Tuscany>Italy would in my opinion be popular as well.

This is the most substantial suggestion thus far; I like it! Sounds like some fun choices for the player.

 

[WeissRaben]

A Florence tag would be more exciting than the Etruria tag, which you can't form (as far as I know) and only appears for a couple of years. Just remove Etruria and add Florence.

Etruria... isn't really needed, just like there isn't a Batavia tag. I second this.