Petition for "True Random Lucky NAtions"

[Alblaka]

If your go for Historical Nations, the same countries tend to blob (ahistorically, in some cases) all over the place.
If you go for Random Nations, the 'random' is so biased you still see most of the same countries blob the same way all over the place.

What I would like to see is a TRUE random Lucky Nations. Which means that indeed any randomly chose nation can be a lucky nation, not one of 12+ potential supoerpower.

Why? Because it will add some truly random flavour to the game, when an usual AI underdog suddenly becomes locally dominant due to lucky nations bonus.

 

[TolHydra]

This would add a lot to the lost replayability.

Never would have imagined the days I'd miss shattered russia, and unblobbing ottomans.
I also propose randomized national ideas, without achievements if you will, I don't care.

 

[Xara]

I want a "hot potato" random mode. Where the lucky nations are recalculated every 25 years or something!

 

[V1ribus]

I agree with this, but only if the current 'Random' is renamed to 'Weighted' and not removed altogether.

 

[Alblaka]

and not removed altogether.

Basic rule of game coding. Never remove something optional.

 

[Thund91]

I agree. The only problem I see is that if something like Navarra is made a lucky nation (which gets eaten by either Aragon or Castile about 99.9% of the time), it would be a waste of a lucky nation slot. Maybe their should be a criteria that country has to have at least 2-3 provinces to be considered?

 

[wetblowdryer]

Limit on the randomness though. A lucky Salzburg won't do anything; however, a lucky Novgorod or a lucky Ayutthaya could have some pretty cool game implications.

 

[Alblaka]

I agree. The only problem I see is that if something like Navarra is made a lucky nation (which gets eaten by either Aragon or Castile about 99.9% of the time), it would be a waste of a lucky nation slot.

In case you didn't know: Even now there are always maximum amount of lucky nations. If one is annexed, it jumps over to the next in the list.
If in true random lucky nations a lucky is annexed, a new one is chosen.

 

[Thund91]

In case you didn't know: Even now there are always maximum amount of lucky nations. If one is annexed, it jumps over to the next in the list.
If in true random lucky nations a lucky is annexed, a new one is chosen.

I didn't know that. There's no tooltip on it.

 

[Xara]

In case you didn't know: Even now there are always maximum amount of lucky nations. If one is annexed, it jumps over to the next in the list.
If in true random lucky nations a lucky is annexed, a new one is chosen.

Wasn't that removed several patches ago?

I thought the only "next down the list" that occurs is when a human player occupies one of the lucky nations slot, since a human player can't have Luck.

 

[Deuterium Dawn]

Limit on the randomness though. A lucky Salzburg won't do anything; however, a lucky Novgorod or a lucky Ayutthaya could have some pretty cool game implications.

Eh. I've seen salzburg blob on occasion. Even as is an HRE minor ending up lucky can make quite a difference in the shape of the empire.

 

[shoki]

I want a "hot potato" random mode. Where the lucky nations are recalculated every 25 years or something!

I like that idea, but a normal "true random lucky nation" setting would be enough for the beginning

 

[Hootieleece]

+1, The game needs true randomization of "Lucky" Nations for Replayability. Especially if this is ever going to be a Sandbox game again.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

+1 for sure. I want to see these nations go lucky:

Ming
Kazan
Timurids
Songhai or Mali
Shawnee
Brunei
Manchu
Jaisalmer (lol)
Ajuraan
Ethiopia
Mamluks
Crimea
Aq Qoyunlu
Burgundy (this would be really annoying and amusing)
Orissa
Dai Viet

Not all at once of course, but these kinds of nations would cause some amusing results in their respective areas perhaps, aside from woofers like Jaisalmer.

 

[Xara]

Burgundy (this would be really annoying and amusing)

They have a decent chance to be a lucky nation if you are playing as one that would have been. They'll still die to Inheritance :|

 

[Zqrfmb]

They have a decent chance to be a lucky nation if you are playing as one that would have been. They'll still die to Inheritance :|

It doesn't happen THAT often anymore, but if it did, well, clearly it wasn't actually a lucky nation at all, and it'll jump!

 

[solidprice]

yes! Yes! Yes!
add true random and change the current lucky to weighted.

it really would add to the game's replayability. i never use random because it really isn't random. if i wanted France to be lucky, i would have played ironman/historical. >.>

 

[lucaluca]

no it would be too much fantasy... the game needs to conserve some sort of historicity. Also giving lucky nation to a small country basically means to waste it.

With that said, some non european nations should be added to the pool: Manchu, Japan, one in Africa, one in America (Iroquois?, Persia, Mughals.

 

[rmc]

+100000000000.
But I don´t think they will add, which is sad.

I´m thinking if this could be implemented in a mod. Turning off the normal Lucky Nation, and give the bonuses after the game start. Someone with modding experience, knows if is possible to randomize which tags will receive it?

 

[Freudia]

no it would be too much fantasy... the game needs to conserve some sort of historicity. Also giving lucky nation to a small country basically means to waste it.

That's what historical lucky nations is for. He's not asking to remove historical, he's asking for a true random option. For those of us who are tired of seeing the world be rather samey every time we play.