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I'll echo the sentiments of a few others that more expansions are welcome. I can also understand and appreciate that Asia could use more attention, but it'll never be a priority for me and an expansion that focused solely on Asia wouldn't really catch my interest ( I'd still buy it anyhow :D).
 
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I would like something like this. However, if it was in EU4 or something that would also be fine. I just hope that eventually we can get a game with the whole world being done well. Even playing a non-Asian country, it would make interactions more interesting at least. Both Japan and China played a role in the west during the time periods of the game. Not to mention other Asian nations.
 

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I'd support another expansion, but it'd seriously have to fix both non-Euro nations, and the religion system, for one. Perhaps it can be the patch for Heir To The Throne.

Among other things I;d be looking for

*More Asia and Africa research (srsly)

*More options for peace screen (thankfully, there was work in this department)

*Ability to set who you ask into a war when you declare war (Yourself only, vassals, vassals and allies)

*MORE RELIGIONS, and diversified religiosity.

*Multiple religions per province

Ill think of more later. It'd be real cool though - Kanem Bornu needs a more realistic Africa to club anyways. tbh, why don't you guys just recruit ubik and the Magna Mundi team to do a lot of the research/coding work for new nations? They have a lot of that.



If there is another expansion, we can call it Hail To The Chief ;)
 

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And actually there was a Sayyid dynasty in Kashmir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Dynasty

Interesting. The dynasty for that period is consequently refered to as the Shah Miri dynasty in all my sources. Might be I owe the paradox researcher an apology on this one though, as obviously dynasties can have several names (for instance most refer to the ruling dynasty of Gujarat as the Ahmad Shahis but the name paradox chose is also correct). Either this or wikipedia is wrong ;) In the entry for the founder of the dynasty they don't refer to it as sayid but rather shah miri...

EDIT: Ah but it seems I've gotten hold of something! Though I've just been able to skim for it, it would seem that the viziers of the Shah Mirs where often Sayyids (perhaps allways?) if so that might explain the confusion. Found this mentioned in "Kashmir Under the Sultans" that I got from my university library.

Did some further reading, it says that in the early 1400's the Sayyids took over Delhi but continued to be the vassal of Timur, Are you gonna make Delhi a vassal of the Turmids until the Lodis? And also what is your primary culture for Delhi and the Mughals?

They did so only in name though, they actually fought a war with timur (which fits nicely with how vassalage is broken in the game). Atleast it would seem from my sources that any allegiance to timur was only superficial (it was how they legitimated their claim to the throne of the sultanate after all so they would have to keep refering to it). My sources have the sayyids as breaking any remaining bonds to timur in 1423 already. A war against the timurids was later fought in 1431-1432 (seems to have been inconclusive though).

The timurids never wielded any real influence in northern India after Timurs initial attack (well obviously a certain timurid and his successors did but that's not related to the sayyids ;)).
 
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May be just a patch...

What people seem to request is beyond the scope of a patch or two. To be honest, at the moment I would love to see bug fixes of HttT more than anything completely new.

And then there's going to be Vicky II which will need patching and possibly expansion (same thing also applies to HoI III, which needs a lot of attention). And at some point hopefully we will see CK2, which I'm really expecting.

And when it comes to expansions, I really hope that Rome will see another expansion, which would add more provinces and flavour to Greece, possibly extending game bit further back to Hellenistic era. But after all of those are done, I'm eager to see another EUIII expansion.
 

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I cant imagine there are that many ppl out there who would ever buy and Asian Dynasties exp. It would be very cool for the people who are interested in that area, but in reality they are going to be a small minority.

Only hope is a mod that evolves it
 

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Although I can appreciate that people like to play the non European nations, lets please not forget that its called EUROPA Universallis, the game is supposed to be about Europes rise from the dark ages to dominate the world.

I personally would have no interest in buying an expansion that centred out of Europe and unless it added other features I wouldn't buy it.
 
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To whomever said Asian Dynasties wasn't able to be trademarked due to it being a phrase, I mentioned it to an IP lawyer and as far as I could tell he felt it was, in fact, able to be trademarked (at least under US law)
 

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Although I can appreciate that people like to play the non European nations, lets please not forget that its called EUROPA Universallis, the game is supposed to be about Europes rise from the dark ages to dominate the world.

I personally would have no interest in buying an expansion that centred out of Europe and unless it added other features I wouldn't buy it.

As you say this is "EU" and not AU, so the focus wont be changed. Another thing that puts asian countries very low on the list is that they are 2-4 tech groups from the top, this makes them less popular for people to play.


To whomever said Asian Dynasties wasn't able to be trademarked due to it being a phrase, I mentioned it to an IP lawyer and as far as I could tell he felt it was, in fact, able to be trademarked (at least under US law)

Im not 100% sure on trademarked, but it could not be copyrighted because it is a popular expression and therefore is Public Domain. The only thing they might be able to get passed would be stopping another game from being called 'asian dynasties', but that would still be questionable...

a great example of this is Donald Trump trying to get the phrase "Your Fired" copyrighted.... not gonna happen
 
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how about an expansion that adds alot onto asia and extends the timeline up to 1835, i would buy that also including a converter to vicky 2

at this point your only hope is that a modder adds it in or EU4 revolves more around asia :rolleyes:, cause there is no way they would make an expansion for this in EU3 at this point
 

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I really love HTTT, but I think any limitations on the Ming would be an excellent improvement. Unlike their dynasty in real history (weakens after a short golden age), the Ming constantly absorb every civilization around them. The Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Tibetans, the Mongols, and sometimes they reach as far as Kazakhstan. This wouldn't bother me if it happened occasionally, but I'm talking every game here. :confused:
 

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>...the Ming constantly absorb every civilization around them. The Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Tibetans, the Mongols, and sometimes they reach as far as Kazakhstan. This wouldn't bother me if it happened occasionally, but I'm talking every game here.

I'll repeat what I stated before. The reason this happens is because the map is borked. All of these countries have their number of provinces reduced by about 2/3rds (or more) versus what they should be. Thus the badboy and stability hit cost of conquering them correspondingly goes down by 2/3rds. These are big, big countries. Countries that in this era had as much land area, population mass and GDP as the entire area of the Low Countries (Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg). But in EU3, they have a negligible ability to raise defensive armies, so in the first war vs. Ming, they get whacked down to a one province minor and they they disappear a few months later as some other minor abosrbs them. It's like France annexing the entire Low Countries in a 6 month war. Until the map is fixed, any attempt to adjust play balance in this area just leads to wacky, unhistorical setups (see mods).
 

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I support this expansion. While it may seem so, Europe is not the centre of the earth.
 

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Didn't you hear?

They're working on Europa Universalis: Pike and Shot, an MMO title where you can play such exciting faction as The Farrier's Guild and The Organization for Morally Dubious but Necessary for Reasons of Pragmatism and Morale "Camp Followers"

No time for an Asian chapter.
 

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Didn't you hear?

They're working on Europa Universalis: Pike and Shot, an MMO title where you can play such exciting faction as The Farrier's Guild and The Organization for Morally Dubious but Necessary for Reasons of Pragmatism and Morale "Camp Followers"

I'd buy that game, just because it would be so utterly ridiculous.:p
 
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Im not 100% sure on trademarked, but it could not be copyrighted because it is a popular expression and therefore is Public Domain. The only thing they might be able to get passed would be stopping another game from being called 'asian dynasties', but that would still be questionable...

a great example of this is Donald Trump trying to get the phrase "Your Fired" copyrighted.... not gonna happen

Copyright refers to the work of authorship - Asian dynasties is simply a use of language and is, as you say, public domain. In regards to trademark though, as long as they're not trying to sell actual Asian dynasties (which you can't, anyway) then the mark is not purely descriptive. With trademarks you have a subject class or classes that you want your mark used for. They could probably go broader than simply games, but probably not beyond software. This is not, however, legal advice as I'm not a lawyer. It's just what was relayed to me by one.
 

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Dude! Where did you lose Rajputana? Mah favourite! :eek:

(Am I the only one who thinks that Rajputana is for some reason more popular than for example Vijyanagar or the neighbouring countries?)

On topic however: a user who posted few pages ago convinced me. EU3 is now better than vanilla EU4 could be for a long time. I support this proposition and am willing to buy the hypothetical expansion. :)

And yeah, more provinces could REALLY be used. The number of them affects the mechanics such and thus blobbing, etc.