Petition for a new leader.

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I would like a leader to be added to the Russian leader file.

I want Pyotr I Veliky (Peter the Great) added.

my reasons:

He personally led the Russian forces at Poltava and commanded the ill fated invasion of the Ottoman Empire. He was personally in command in Azov during the Crimea campaign. So historically he is justified.

For game balance he should be included. His swedish opponent is in the game as Karl XII is a 6,6,5,1 leader. Nevermind that this is way overdone but its silly that Peter is not in the game.

Now for his stats

4 for movement, he was nothing special but pretty competant.

5 for fire, he reformed the Russian army to use modern firearms.

5 for shock, he was keen on frontal assualts and use of cavalry.

1 siege, he practised with cannons in his youth and designed his own cannons.

so Pyotr I 4,5,5,1 and start and death dates the same as his reign as Emperor.

 

[kurtbrian]

that he reformed the russian army and built cannons, has nothing to dow tih how he lead an army.

Was he a succesfull tactician, was he good at deploying his infantry and cannons etc.
That is what matters when you give out leader stats.

The thing you describe is represented in his monarch military skill

 

[unmerged(17563)]

that he reformed the russian army and built cannons, has nothing to dow tih how he lead an army.

Was he a succesfull tactician, was he good at deploying his infantry and cannons etc.
That is what matters when you give out leader stats.

The thing you describe is represented in his monarch military skill

Well want me to detail the battle of Poltava where he devised and led the attack plan? that beat Karl XII and won Russia the war?

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Well want me to detail the battle of Poltava where he devised and led the attack plan? that beat Karl XII and won Russia the war?

Battle of Narva was lost though.

 

[Johan]

Well want me to detail the battle of Poltava where he devised and led the attack plan? that beat Karl XII and won Russia the war?

What russian "attack" ?

At Poltava.. Karl XII was injured and not in command..
The russians were sitting fortified in their redoubts.

The swedish infantry (severly outnumbered even before the start of the battle) took horrendous losses but took several of them and got through the line.
Then they (with enough ammo for maybe one volley) formed a line as usual, numbering about two thousand, and charged with bayonets on.

The russian line started to break at places (even if they had a ten to one advantage and artillery), but the supporting cavalry charge from Rehnsköld never arrived so the infantry went under.

I fail to see what would make give the russian commander any bonus from that. They won because of numerical superiority, superior firepower and defensive position, not because their leader was brilliant.

 

[Lamprey]

The battle of Poltava could've easily gone the other way. Being outnumbered against Russians wasn't anything new to the Swedes, but whoever was in charge didn't follow Karl's battle plans. Had the king been on the field, St. Petersburg might likely have been a Scandinavian city.

 

[unmerged(6147)]

What russian "attack" ?

Thanks Johan!

I was about to write a reply starting with exactly the same rethorical question.

Nuff said about Poltava, the darkest moment in Swedish history. Just hearing the name gives me a pain

 

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Peter should be an awesome monarch, but I don't think of him as a General. At Narva he really didn't seem to have a clue what to do. In fact, if memory serves, he only showed up at Poltava to inspire the troops, and because he couldn't bear not knowing what was going on. Peter himself might have been the first to say that he wasn't a great general. Sorry to disagree, but thought you should hear it from someone who isn't Swedish.

 

[unmerged(11216)]

What russian "attack" ?

At Poltava.. Karl XII was injured and not in command..
The russians were sitting fortified in their redoubts.

The swedish infantry (severly outnumbered even before the start of the battle) took horrendous losses but took several of them and got through the line.
Then they (with enough ammo for maybe one volley) formed a line as usual, numbering about two thousand, and charged with bayonets on.

The russian line started to break at places (even if they had a ten to one advantage and artillery), but the supporting cavalry charge from Rehnsköld never arrived so the infantry went under.

I fail to see what would make give the russian commander any bonus from that. They won because of numerical superiority, superior firepower and defensive position, not because their leader was brilliant.

EXACTLY.

 

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I'm not opposed to having Peter as a leader, but he didn't really do much against the Swedes as a leader of men. Poltava was an almost inevitable loss for the Swedes due to a number of reasons. Narva was a horrible defeat for Russia and Peter took off before the battle in any case(1). He should perhaps be an avg leader with monarch rank. Charles deserves many of his stats, though it seems to me to be more the vastly superior quality of Swedish troops at the time rather than exceptional, though certainly solid, skills on his part that led to his many victories. August the Strong certainly was a far superior leader based on accounts I have read - the battle of Kliszow being a good example of August's ability, despite his being defeated regardless of his sound plan, due to the Swedish base superiority in terms of individual prowess.

Peter was a brave man and a dynamic monarch, but unproven in leadership as far as I know.

(1) After the massacre at Narva, Czar Peter made a prediction : "The Swedes are destined to inflict many a defeat on us yet, but they will gradually teach us to win." p.128 A History of Finland, Eino Jutikkala and Kauro Pirinen

 

[Cagliostro]

The fact that he wasn't an astonishingly good leader doesn't mean he wasn't a leader. I don't think that it's necessarily a bad idea to give the Russians a mediocre monarch leader at that time.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Well, Russia already has three around 3/3/3 level leaders rolling around during that period and as there yet have not been any evidence to warrant Pyotr being higher than that about 3/3/3 level, I think adding him wouldn't be too beneficial.

 

[ForzaA]

Nuff said about Poltava, the darkest moment in Swedish history. Just hearing the name gives me a pain

" Poltava, what Poltava? I don't know where Poltava is"

[now I just have to hope someone recognises the misquote ]

 

[Underhand]

Alesia? What Alesia? I don't know where Alesia is!

 

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Well want me to detail the battle of Poltava where he devised and led the attack plan? that beat Karl XII and won Russia the war?

he outnumbered them....not a "skill" victory...

 

[admiral drake]

funny how all the swedish players strongly disagree

 

[ASAD]

Maybe Piotr I Wielki "the Great" could be an admiral.He made the first real russian fleet.He was very keen on navigation.Even was working as shipbilder in England for a year.He was an idea of great Russian Empire with fleet which could degeat even English one.

 

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Maybe Piotr I Wielki "the Great" could be an admiral.He made the first real russian fleet.He was very keen on navigation.Even was working as shipbilder in England for a year.He was an idea of great Russian Empire with fleet which could degeat even English one.

But he never commanded himself the fleet, nor led great naval venture by himself.

Lady Europa, could you provide us with more knowledge about he Crimean expedition you said he was in command of ? It was a failure, right, but did the Russians win some battles, and if yes, in what circumstances ?

 

[ASAD]

But he never commanded himself the fleet, nor led great naval venture by himself.

But he had an idea
Russian wasn't great naval power but it could be helpful...for enthusiasts

 

[unmerged(11216)]

funny how all the swedish players strongly disagree

It could have something to do that we have higher knowledge about the Great Nordic War then the most else here. Sure add Peter as a leader, as long as he has like a 2-3-3 stats at max, because he did nothing particulary as a leader. I still find it a laugh how Reihnskiöld can have a 1-2-2-1 stats...