I think you didn't get what he meant. He is saying that the current demand-supply system is not working very good, so the new system will be better.
Petition: Don't remove supply and demand
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I like the change. I never interacted meaningfully with the old system even when playing a trading nation.
As a hardcore strategy gamer, I demand the most needlessly complicated economic system in my games!
Okay, just make is explained somewhere... Creating such mathematic miracles as supply - demand system or maneuver - terrain system in EU would make much more sense if the exact mechanics behind it were available somewhere
(no, 'probably you get better terrain if you have more maneuver/just build more manufactories' is not enough for me to prepare detailed strategy...)
Frankly, I am not sure if even players fully understanding former supply - demand system could interact with it and calculate basing on it - it seems to be not only incomprehensible but also very passive and outside of player's impact (GET MORE FUR PROVINCES AND PRAY TO PARADOX). The same thing with terrain penalties (GET MORE MANEUVER AND PRAY TO PARADOX). I hope the new systems, while simplified drastically, will paradoxically also allow on more impactful choices.
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I'm with devs on this one too. It doesn't add enough to the game to be worth the performance.
Agreed. An event-based system will be more flavorful and transparent.
I really hope the events aren't obnoxious.
Bloody Vic 2 province invention events. :angry:
Frankly I think the new system is WAY WAY easier for modders to manipulate than the old system which by itself makes it far superior to the old system. I could never get my head around the old supply and demand system but I can easily make events now that can affect the price of goods to simulate changes in supply and demand by setting conditions for it.
Worse, the price was global so it didn't matter who had the fur provinces. That was the biggest problem: all effects had to be really small because they'd be just as big on the other side of the world. A big war in Poland would affect the grain price in Bankok the same as it would the grain price in Stockholm
While I never modded EU I had modding experiences with many other strategy games and as I know basics of coding and 'mod mentality': yeah, it will be extremely easier and much more flexible...
Oh yes. I'm sure we'll be seeing mods with lots of historical and dynamic events affecting global prices. I would also expect at least one major project to use the new mechanics to create a complex supply/demand system far superior to the current one. I'm very optimistic about this change.
Yes, it has. The fluctuations (that because they were globabl were all meaninglessly small) no longer exist.
I love the supply and demand system. I preferred it more in EU3 where there could be a greater swing in demand, but I still like it.
I'll be keen to see if this new system is more or less enjoyable.
I'll be keen to see if this new system is more or less enjoyable.
The old system wasn't very good at increasing the prices of important New World goods over time, and although a refined supply and demand system would be cool, I like the look of this new system.
I'm fine with this change. I like what the old system could have been, but if it wasn't going to get developed further, I'm for simplifying.
In the back of my head the one small concern I have is whether or not the price of goods will slowly increase over the course of the game as the world's economy increases. If it doesn't, this could cut out even more money from the economy, especially when it comes to the goods producers. Yes, I know there are events that will change pricing on some things, but how many and how often? Will it be a situation where we see a steady increase or will it be a situation where we're waiting for conditions to be met for a few big leaps? I like steady increase and it's up in the air whether we'll see that. Again though, that's a concern in the back of my head, not one triggering red flags (at least not yet)
In the back of my head the one small concern I have is whether or not the price of goods will slowly increase over the course of the game as the world's economy increases. If it doesn't, this could cut out even more money from the economy, especially when it comes to the goods producers. Yes, I know there are events that will change pricing on some things, but how many and how often? Will it be a situation where we see a steady increase or will it be a situation where we're waiting for conditions to be met for a few big leaps? I like steady increase and it's up in the air whether we'll see that. Again though, that's a concern in the back of my head, not one triggering red flags (at least not yet)
Let's face it the fluctuations add nothing to the game :/ You even get silly outcomes such as building manufactories on naval supplies or sugar (pre-buff) and that would net you less money because the price became depressed because of the increased supply like come on this aint V2 I dont care about dog factories I need a system that's solid and predictable. Or some crazy spikes to coffee Ive seen it reach 15+. Oh you got more artillery now iron/copper is slightly more expensive, as if metallurgy was not viable before the 1500s.
The new system sounds much better and it will be better for modding as well. Many provinces have quite ahistorical trade goods and if you want to correct it you will need to mess with the price files otherwise you end up with mediocre chinaware, cheap wine, cloth scarcely above 1.20$ and salt at downright 0.
I'm sure the addition of all these new provinces and trade goods brought up all these silly pricing issues. I'm happy the system got killed.
Now ofcourse Id like 'collecting' resources for my mercantilistic empire or getting a global monoly on something or securing domestic matériel supplies and other shiz like that but the supply/demand was just unnecessary baggage.
The new system sounds much better and it will be better for modding as well. Many provinces have quite ahistorical trade goods and if you want to correct it you will need to mess with the price files otherwise you end up with mediocre chinaware, cheap wine, cloth scarcely above 1.20$ and salt at downright 0.
I'm sure the addition of all these new provinces and trade goods brought up all these silly pricing issues. I'm happy the system got killed.
Now ofcourse Id like 'collecting' resources for my mercantilistic empire or getting a global monoly on something or securing domestic matériel supplies and other shiz like that but the supply/demand was just unnecessary baggage.