Petition: Create and Empire For Hungary and Poland

[unmerged(569711)]

These two Kingdoms don't get to form an empire so I think that they should be able to....call it Pollack-Hungary

 

[Lord Finnish]

There was some mod that added its own Empire for Hungary, called Etelköz.
As for creating an Empire to span Poland and Hungary, you can do it yourself. Google a bit, find some guides and you can rather quickly create your own Empires.

 

[nyah]

My current game is as Serbia, and I hold Poland, Hungary, Croatia, Sicily, and Serbia (as well as some others). But no empire. I could easily take the HRE or ERE and get their empire titles, but that seems so.... 1.05...

It is easy to mod a new empire in, and this belt of land seems to be the only one without a creatable or existing empire (although I'll have to check that) so I can see why somebody might want one. To be honest though I'm quite happy in my current game.

 

[Martinus]

The question is what would you call it? I think the existing empires have at least some historical basis (even if it is based on some never-succesful claims or countries that existed outside of CK2 timeframe). You could I guess base something on the so-called Jagellonian Empire but then it should also include Lithuania.

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

I'd prefer that empires be dynamically created, rather than every stretch of land having its own empire.

 

[unmerged(271387)]

Exactly

 

[Sleight of Hand]

There isn't an obvious, non-specific suggestion for such an empire, which is likely why it wasn't added to begin with. So, no.

 

[minke19104]

Please god no...

 

[Sarog]

I don't think empires should be put into the game just for the sake of having them there. Empires make sense in places where uniting certain kingdoms makes clear cultural or geographical sense, like Britain or Iberia or Scandinavia. But uniting Hungary and Poland does not make sense either culturally or geographically, and any empire that bound them together would be a very strange thing to justify. Uniting those kingdoms in a personal union under one dynasty is the most that you can justify. Making an empire out of them is such a specifically bizarre ahistorical ambition that it makes sense for a mod, but not for the base game.

 

[Satyros]

I'd prefer that empires be dynamically created, rather than every stretch of land having its own empire.

This . And Kingdom titles too .

I can understand however that the problems of new coat of arms etc may come up .

But it would be nice .

Besides , we have concluded that the game DOES NOT want to run on a historical railroad , right ? This is also nice .

 

[iehoa0083]

I don't think empires should be put into the game just for the sake of having them there. Empires make sense in places where uniting certain kingdoms makes clear cultural or geographical sense, like Britain or Iberia or Scandinavia. But uniting Hungary and Poland does not make sense either culturally or geographically, and any empire that bound them together would be a very strange thing to justify. Uniting those kingdoms in a personal union under one dynasty is the most that you can justify. Making an empire out of them is such a specifically bizarre ahistorical ambition that it makes sense for a mod, but not for the base game.

Agree, I do understand why would people want to be able to create empire for the countrys/kingdoms they like. However, the game is base on real history and common sense. No matter what course it goes after we start playing the game, the base of the game should not be change. I will support, however, a mod or dlc for players who wants to creat their own kingdom/empire, that way everyone gets what they want.

 

[Lwantssugar]

For Poland an Empire could be to create the Polish-Lithuanianian Commonwealth, that is based on actual history and was even formed within the CK2 timeline. I'm less well read about Hungary so I'm not sure if one can be made for them

 

[Rythin]

I'd prefer that empires be dynamically created, rather than every stretch of land having its own empire.

That's the reasonable way to go. At least such empires would have an in-game reason to exist, as opposed to most of the current formable empires. I appreciate the way CK2+ handles new empires - you need four kingdom titles and the decision appears to form an empire named after your primary title. You could argue that three kingdoms could be sufficient in some cases (as Poland-Lithuania-Rus-Hungary seems a little too massive when compared to Scotland-Isle of Mann-Ireland-Wales), but the principle remains.

 

[unmerged(569711)]

I just love the ability to form empires....I don't really understand why people are hating on them. It's just really the only place where there is no empire to form. So they should put one in there. I really do like the way they put empires in awhile ago.

Having them dynamically created ruins empires for me....I want to strive to create one of the fixed ones instead of just being able to form one when I get big enough. If it was dynamically created it would ruin it for me. It wouldn't be nearly as fun as trying to form one of the empires that covers one area.


There is actually a mod that allows for creating your own dynamic empire once you are large enough I believe it is called formable empires. I don't like using mods too much that alter the game. Game of thrones is a new scenario that kind is alright. I like to practice using the regular game for when I play multiplayer.

So what I mean is that I would like to have and Empire or Empires that encompass Poland and Hungary because they kind of got left out all the other Catholic kingdoms are part of one.

 

[unmerged(173313)]

I think a good idea would be the ability to claim yourself as an empire. I think that could also lead to Duchies creating kingdoms from themselves, requiring the pope to like you more than your liege and probably leading to war if you raise your rank to be equivalent to your liege's rank(say a Duke in Poland takes some Duchies, and makes his primary "Silesia" and decides to become King of Silesia, from there Poland hates him for splitting off with Papal assent, and has a claim on the land as it's dejure theirs.) That would allow Dukes to become Kings in some circumstances, but also for Kings to become Emperors if they control the entirety of two kingdoms' de jure territory(and having the titles of course, with a high piety cost to create emperor titles). Then you could have an Italian Empire by taking over Italy and Sicily, a Polish Empire by taking over Poland and Lithuania, or Poland and Hungary, or a Hungarian Empire by taking over Hungary and Croatia or Hungary and Bohemia. I think the kingdoms in order to become part of an empire would have to be removed from another empire, though, so to use Bohemia in a Hungarian Empire you'd have to hold Bohemia long enough for it to slip away from being de jure HRE territory. Just a thought I had.

 

[rashtrakut]

The Kingdoms Abound mod may be what you need.

 

[unmerged(569711)]

What I feel is that the change im proposing is a pretty small one, it may not be based in history but this game is not about riding the historical track its also about making fun alternate history. Thats why they put in the other empires, might have been ahistorical but its really fun to struggle to form them. I dont see adding one more to be a particularly big deal. It just makes sense to me because pretty much everywhere else theres an empire

 

[unmerged(242259)]

empire should call Etelköz and have this kingdoms ,Poland ,Hungary ,Cseh. only hungar culture can form because in history existing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellon_dynasty have rule this 3 contries by Hungar dynaste call "Jagelló" this leader Jagelló II. Ulászló was Hungar so give impire to Hungar .thanks

 

[unmerged(228153)]

Since you linked to the Wikipedia article, you should have realized that this »empire« comprised of Poland and Hungary was actually a personal union which lasted for a whopping seven years; the dynasty in question was of Lithuanian origin, and the king Ulászló the First was actually Polish. Also, the name »Etelköz« is totally inappropriate since it usually denotes the Magyar urheimat; that's like renaming in-game Taurica »Old Great Blgarija« and giving Bulgaria de-jure claims on it (and then give them de-jure claims on everything between Constantinople and Kiev for good measure).

Doubleninja, you might want to try the CK2+ mod. Besides rebalancing and improving the entire game, it adds a whole lot of titular (not de-jure) empires that can be formed by holding four kingdoms and a specific capital; sometimes you need a particular culture as well. Though the current version of the mod occasionally crashes for me, I have no idea why, but I'm confident it will be fixed some way or another. The aforementioned Kingdoms Abound is also a good choice.

 

[unmerged(242259)]

Since you linked to the Wikipedia article, you should have realized that this »empire« comprised of Poland and Hungary was actually a personal union which lasted for a whopping seven years; the dynasty in question was of Lithuanian origin, and the king Ulászló the First was actually Polish. Also, the name »Etelköz« is totally inappropriate since it usually denotes the Magyar urheimat; that's like renaming in-game Taurica »Old Great Blgarija« and giving Bulgaria de-jure claims on it (and then give them de-jure claims on everything between Constantinople and Kiev for good measure).

no ,it was impire and Ulászló have hungar name. lengyish form is „wladislávs“. this wikipedia

Vladislaus Jagiello whom several history books call Vladisla(u)s II. After being elected and crowned King of Hungary, Vladislaus moved his court to Hungary from were he ruled both countries and his children were born and raised.

so you see ,Ulászló chosed hungar for kulture.

in fact to give this land Etelköz for Hungary impire is good as give Стара Велика България having taurika. Etelköz is hungar ,not poland term. but you can have term Magyarország if do not like Etelköz