Persia to its deserved place

[unmerged(55640)]

I think persia is underpowered in both ic and manpower.as i remember they had 15 million population,were modernising and have pretty solid army by 1941 with airforce which had airbases in teheran...I think they deserve 15 ic and 15 manpower in provincies and airbases in teheran.This wouldnt harm anybody and would be more historical then current situation...

 

[unmerged(56974)]

Why would it have 15 manpower It is Manpower afterall... Besides manpower is based on males over the age of 18 who are fit and available for military service, so you'd have much smaller number. Persias modernity would have just been from western hand me downs.

 

[xtfoster]

I think persia is underpowered in both ic and manpower.as i remember they had 15 million population,were modernising and have pretty solid army by 1941 with airforce which had airbases in teheran...I think they deserve 15 ic and 15 manpower in provincies and airbases in teheran.This wouldnt harm anybody and would be more historical then current situation...

Based on THIS I would have to disagree. Most of Persia's arms were foreign supplied.

 

[unmerged(74385)]

^Yup, and foreign supplied arms imply weak industry.

 

[unmerged(64167)]

They had some limited industry in development but the abstract for HOI IC does not work so well for Persia. They are not a country that is going to be launching BBs and CVs and fleets of aircraft and tanks. However, they would have been able to put a fair infantry force into the field even if forced to rely on their own resource base. Perhaps a couple bits of off-map IC. If anything it would better mirror real life as they would be forced to trade to meet their needs moreso than currently.

Extra manpower sure, some minors do need extra. If Persia has 15 MP I doubt it would change much for the majors.

 

[unmerged(44893)]

Well if new zealand can have 8 IC then persia can have at last 9-10. Always thought persia was a tad nerfed....same with turkey.

 

[BritNavFan]

Persia has 6 IC. Iraq has 6 IC (in its capital, the rest of the country apparantly has no industry). Saudi Arabia has 6 IC (in Riyadh, again, the rest of the country has no industry). Oman has 6 IC. Afghanistan has, IIRC, 6 IC, again, in its capital. Ethiopia has 6 IC (at least this is a little bit spread out). I almost think I see a pattern here. Yemen has 5 IC (oops). Lebanon and Syria, which do not begin the 36 scenario as independents, have 1 and 0 IC.

I wouldn't worry that you're breaking any kind of realism by changing these numbers. Paradox has created an incredibly detailed game, and it's fair enough that they focused their attention on other aspects than the size of the economies of nations that are almost certain to remain neutral.

Just for context, Montreal, which was at the time Canada's largest city, has 0 IC, while a whole bunch of much smaller Canadian cities and rural areas have lots of industry.

 

[unmerged(61311)]

Persia has 6 IC. Iraq has 6 IC (in its capital, the rest of the country apparantly has no industry). Saudi Arabia has 6 IC (in Riyadh, again, the rest of the country has no industry). Oman has 6 IC. Afghanistan has, IIRC, 6 IC, again, in its capital. Ethiopia has 6 IC (at least this is a little bit spread out). I almost think I see a pattern here. Yemen has 5 IC (oops). Lebanon and Syria, which do not begin the 36 scenario as independents, have 1 and 0 IC.

Many of the games elements are completely abstracted, for instance, most of those countries you listed have no heavy industry of any sort. In game terms they have nothing for industry, so they are given a poultry 5 or 6 IC as to make them somewhat capable, if still completely incapable :wacko: . In real life they had the means to build somewhat of a military not represented in the game.

And if you dislike say Montreal having no industry, then mod it.

 

[unmerged(54240)]

amazing how they have the biggest army today.

 

[noobermenschen]

Based on THIS I would have to disagree. Most of Persia's arms were foreign supplied.

Cool site

Persia and the other 5-6 IC micros are actually OVERpowered by quite a bit. Persia had very little industry that was not foreign run, and her economy, aside from oil, was largely subsistence agriculture, which leaves very little manpower for the military. Very few efforts at modernizing agriculture or industrializing were initiated before the 1960's, and what came after was not real successful. P'dox buffs up the minors for fun and balance, because nobody wants to play a Persia with 2 IC and skill 1 tech teams

amazing how they have the biggest army today.

Talleyrand warned Napolean that Persia's large numbers of troops did not equal an effective army. Same is true 200 years later.

 

[unmerged(64167)]

Well the single tech slot should handle the quality issue and the IC the quantity. Persia will not be able to field a large modern army. Eventually it could be of decent size (for a minor) but obsolete compared to the major and even medium powers.

They are far from the largest army unless you want to count cannon fodder. Large sure but until you start handing out the keys to heaven to the nation's new "special" units they are only a top 10er. Indeed one of the nations ahead of them is North Korea.

 

[unmerged(25971)]

I would like to see all these minors talked about having the offmap IC that created satellites get instead of onmap 5 IC. It looks weird.

 

[Randallw]

If Persia is made more powerful would it have an effect on the SU and UK invasion to ensure Lend Lease to SU?

 

[unmerged(55640)]

Game ic is abstacted on possibility of countries to create divisions and fight.Look Persia army oob in 1941 it is not sure as at yemen and persia level.In case you want total realism all balkan countries like bulgaria greece should have weak ic maybe 10 as their arms were foreigned.In greek italian war greece was so desperately in need of supplies that yugoslav ammunition wwas more than welcome.IC in game is sure not connected with industrial development-China is abstacted for exaple -or you think they united china really have ic of superpower...

 

[unmerged(58571)]

One can't supply one's minor allies with arms in the game. At best, one can trade them supplies for free and then build whole divisions to give them, that they might be able to reinforce with the IC freed by the supplies deal.
This is very cumbersome and cannot be pulled off by the AI.

 

[Zanza]

The off-map IC and resource mechanism was only added with some patch or Doomsday if I remember correctly. It would be more suitable to simulate minors that were able to supply an army, but didn't really have any "industry" that some foreign invader would be able to use. But no one has the time to rework all that stuff now.