Perm strategy please

[Jokolytic]

I started as Perm in 1444, converted all provinces to Orthodoxy, tried to break free from Muscovy vassal ideation after notification they were annexing me. Revolt failed, meanwhile got Innovative Ideas, tech level ended up matching France's! However got annexed after preparing for a second revolt...

What's the best strategy for Perm? I don't want to crazy blob, but I would like to perhaps form Russia or another state at some time. Please help...also I like Patriarch Authority.

 

[Quickslow87]

Have you tried declaring independence, declaring war on a couple neighbors, and then conceding defeat to Muscovy? The people you declared war on will proceed to demolish Muscovy.

It worked a patch or two ago for DDRJake in his Foix campaign.

Alternatively, you could try to get neighbors to support your independence. I believe that option is available with the Conquest of Paradise DLC.

 

[Jokolytic]

Have you tried declaring independence, declaring war on a couple neighbors, and then conceding defeat to Muscovy? The people you declared war on will proceed to demolish Muscovy.

It worked a patch or two ago for DDRJake in his Foix campaign.

Alternatively, you could try to get neighbors to support your independence. I believe that option is available with the Conquest of Paradise DLC.

Only possible neighbor that could join is Novgorod, and even they got wrecked by Muscovy, haha.

Ah, that first strategy sounds nice. Sounds risky though, how should I take my general strategy though?

 

[Illianor123]

Can you declare war while Muscovy is embroiled in another war?
Can you get people to support your independance?

 

[Jokolytic]

Can you declare war while Muscovy is embroiled in another war?
Can you get people to support your independance?

You can only declare war on your liege to break free and nothing else. Just Novgorod can support me and they got wrecked.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

I think AI won't integrate a player, and muscovy won't attack you. Take expansion ideas and colonize far to the east and try to break later.

 

[oblio-]

Take Exploration, not Expansion (you want to go in Terra Incognita as well), declare war each time they start the integration. You can take Expansion later to colonize all of Siberia and maybe more.
After a certain point you'll be big enough to fight back.

 

[Jokolytic]

Take Exploration, not Expansion (you want to go in Terra Incognita as well), declare war each time they start the integration. You can take Expansion later to colonize all of Siberia and maybe more.
After a certain point you'll be big enough to fight back.

If I declare war every time Muscovy tries to integrate me, won't I just be annexed by them?

 

[Jokolytic]

I think AI won't integrate a player, and muscovy won't attack you. Take expansion ideas and colonize far to the east and try to break later.

They integrated me.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

If I declare war every time Muscovy tries to integrate me, won't I just be annexed by them?

They'll accept concede defeat normally. But you'll have to sit at low stability so as not to bleed out ADM from doing this every 10ish years.

It might be best to just declare independence while they're fighting someone else and then pick on their other vassals for war score, otherwise hiding and trying to get to enough WS. Allies can help, but they can hurt too if they lose battles.

 

[Jokolytic]

They'll accept concede defeat normally. But you'll have to sit at low stability so as not to bleed out ADM from doing this every 10ish years.

It might be best to just declare independence while they're fighting someone else and then pick on their other vassals for war score, otherwise hiding and trying to get to enough WS. Allies can help, but they can hurt too if they lose battles.

Sounds bleak...

What ideas should I go for first? Exploration? Defensive? Quantity?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Sounds bleak...

What ideas should I go for first? Exploration? Defensive? Quantity?

Unless you break out very early, exploration is probably still strongest despite the autonomy nerf.