Perks of Democracy

[kviiri]

Fascists have the Emergency Powers war option. Communists generate less tension and have cheaper puppet wargoals. Democracies are extremely limited in their war declarations. Does democracy have any special positive abilities to balance things out?

 

[Number 7]

huge colonial empire (UK) or being the most powerful nation (USA) are fairly good compensation

 

[Hans_Schnitzel]

Yep. Democracy is a way to balance the stronger powers in the game, by preventing them from doing anything at first.

 

[77Hawk77]

huge colonial empire (UK) or being the most powerful nation (USA) are fairly good compensation

Is it so easy to say that US is hands down the most powerful nation already?

 

[Surimi]

Democracies are the only nations which can guaruntee nations of other ideologies, I believe. So Great Britain could guarantee the the Soviet Union, but Germany couldn't.

But yeah, democracies seem to be guided by the rules into being quite reactive and non-expansionist, which is why people seem to be less excited about playing them. The plus side, I suppose, is that all things proceeding relatively historically they will probably win.

Is it so easy to say that US is hands down the most powerful nation already?

US definately seems like the nation with the highest immediate potential (good industry, great resources, high manpower) but a lot of that early potential is gated off because the US starts out disarmed and with an isolationist policy. Of course, by the time the US enters the war who knows..

 

[kviiri]

huge colonial empire (UK) or being the most powerful nation (USA) are fairly good compensation

Sure, but I was wondering if changing governments to democracy is beneficial for countries that start out Fascist but want to join the war on the allied side.

 

[Victor Cortez]

Is it so easy to say that US is hands down the most powerful nation already?

Yes.

 

[Surimi]

Sure, but I was wondering if changing governments to democracy is beneficial for countries that start out Fascist but want to join the war on the allied side.

It depends what you consider your goal.

The game seems to be set up on the basis that the goal is to secure victory for your ideology, and by that standard going democratic could be beneficial because it will weaken the Axis and strengthen the allies, further increasing the probability of an allied victory.

But most players seem to have the mindset that the goal is to conquer everything and paint the map your colour, by which standard democracy is probably a fairly suboptimal choice as expansion and wargoal fabrication is a bit more limited.

 

[77Hawk77]

Yes.

Hopefully only in naval.

 

[Nelfe]

Hopefully only in naval.

In land not at start (in 1936 and 1939 they have a very small land army and airforce), but after some years they'll have the greatest military industry potential and a bunch of manpower, so they can be the most powerful nation even in land and air warfare.

 

[Denkt]

Most of the important nations are democracies so you have a better diplomatic situation as one

In real life the democracies in WW2 dominated the war in pretty much every area, the war was not even close.

 

[kviiri]

Most of the important nations are democracies so you have a better diplomatic situation as one

Sort of - but you only need to befriend one - the faction leader (probably UK, that is) and after that you're in the faction - no more diplomacy needed I think.

 

[Denkt]

Sort of - but you only need to befriend one - the faction leader (probably UK, that is) and after that you're in the faction - no more diplomacy needed I think.

Sometimes you don't wan't to be controlled by somebody else

 

[mursolini]

In real life the democracies in WW2 dominated the war in pretty much every area, the war was not even close.

In land war, democracies were pretty sub-par, Germany and SU clearly had stronger land forces(depending on timeline). In 1945, Allied land forces in Europe (and Asia for that meter) were no match for SU army.
In industry SU was second only to US.

There were 2 strong democracies, US and UK, and there were plenty of weaker ones. Fascists had 1 very strong country, Germany, and one strong communist country, SU.

 

[Bleuhelmet]

The advantages of Democracy?
The majority of the stupid masses make the decission about subjects they know nothing about.

Oh wait, gamewise...

 

[mursolini]

The advantages of Democracy?
The majority of the stupid masses make the decission about subjects they know nothing about.

That, is not how democracy works in practice
If a party can`t guide "stupid masses" to their preferred outcome,.. you guessed it, it is time for leadership change

Oh wait, gamewise...

Gamewise the "stupid masses" don`t allow you to throw their lives and money for your personal gains, unless you come up with a pretty good excuse. Yes, "stupid" plebs are like that

Your gameplay, shockingly enough, consists of just that, persuading the people to give up all the goods for you to use arbitrarily.

 

[kviiri]

Sometimes you don't wan't to be controlled by somebody else

Most countries will, anyway. And joining the Allies might not be a bad choice compared to joining the Axis, even for a fascist country.

 

[Victor Cortez]

The advantages of Democracy?
The majority of the stupid masses make the decission about subjects they know nothing about.

Oh wait, gamewise...

The masses decided to remain stupid.
PS: decision.