Period-appropriate symbols for Islam and Islamic dynasties, instead of the Ottoman star-and-crescent

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So, the star and crescent were common symbols throughout the Medieval world, including several Muslim states. But they weren't a specifically Islamic symbol until the 20th century. So, although they are instantly recognizable to a modern audience, they are in fact highly anachronistic.

What would be good, historically-appropriate alternatives for Muslims in-game? The best I can think of would be calligraphic emblems, which could appear graphically similar to the green-and-gold calligraphic symbol used in place of a portrait for Muhammad in-game. For Sunni, we could simply use the calligraphy for Allah. For the Shia, there are calligraphic combinations of Allah, Muhammad, and the names of Ali and his family, which could be used. Examples of each:
allah.png shiacalligraphy.jpg

As for dynasty coats-of-arms, they're largely anachronistic for most Muslims, but they are required in game. And if we're going to have them, it would be better for the symbolism on them to be more period-appropriate, rather than completely dominated by star and/or crescent designs. Muslim shield designs often incorporated floral and calligraphic elements, and it would be nice to see some of those instead of/in addition to the star and crescent for half of all Muslims in game.

And yes, I understand that the star and crescent are used because they are highly recognizable, and that it's unlikely to see a total change in Islamic imagery and symbolism this late in the game's development. But I think it's worth discussing anyway.
 
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I think more historical accuracy is definitely nice however I don't see this as a requirement. The Danube river doesn't run like that would be my responce, there are far greater things to mend.

I think this is where we dance between actual game development and a mod. Calligraphy is present as a few coat of arms in the game, so it isn't unheard of.
 
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This is another example of "marketability trumps realism". From what I can gather this game is targeted at history and geography nerds (like myself !) who have fond memories of old textbooks with full colour maps showing the kingdoms of the Middle Ages, along with their original names. For a taste of this just search the forums for the frequent and bitter threads on "ERE vs Byzantine Empire".

I agree that Islamic heraldry should be cleaned up, maybe there is a mod for it somewhere ?
 

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That would be 9.99 sir.
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Well, paradoxically enough (heh), although there are some 3 Dinasty Shield DLC packs, IIRC they changed just some Arabic ones in the free patches.