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I cant' possibly see you winning this only with support from the french army. You are in dire need of an ally that is as powerfull as the Soviets, and those things don't run the street these days.
Or do they?
Is an American intervention possible? Will they join the Allies in the struggle against Stalinism? Or will they join the Soviets in the struggle against Imperialism/colonialism?:confused:
In fact, has any nation joined the Allies since I last asked?
Sorry if I displease you with such an amount of questions, but I really want to know.
 
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Glad you held onto the strategy of assaulting their logistics. The strategy was clearly working. Too many times in history the right strategy was dropped and led to failure.
For example germany stopping focus on Britain's raf attacks, airfields ect and moved to the blitz.
Even ancient history had fallen into this trap. Julies caesers super seige of alesia against vercegetoix. The gauls strategy of using cavalry to harass roman engineers building the wall and killing foragers after vercengetorix's scorched earth policy,was thrown away to bring more gaulish troops to the field led caeser to complete his wall and forage freely. Ended in ultimate defeat.

Hanging onto a working strategy is sometimes the best course of action if you try and peer into the future and look at the long term situation rather than rash decisions made from lack of vision.


I have to admit this strategy has taken a few years to refine. It worked well in HOI2 when the provinces were larger, but Hoi3 proved harder. You do need an all or nothing approach. Trying to implement this plus keep your options open by maintaining a decent army doesn't work. All the UK's resources need to go into it or it fails.
 

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I cant' possibly see you winning this only with support from the french army. You are in dire need of an ally that is as powerfull as the Soviets, and those things don't run the street these days.
Or do they?
Is an American intervention possible? Will they join the Allies in the struggle against Stalinism? Or will they join the Soviets in the struggle against Imperialism/colonialism?:confused:
In fact, has any nation joined the Allies since I last asked?
Sorry if I displease you with such an amount of questions, but I really want to know.


The U.S. are already part of the allies, but they took their time deploying ground forces. Eventually they invaded Japan, and they do have a number of ground units already in Europe seconded to the French as expeditionary forces. Americans will die in this invasion. I'm hoping that will trigger righteous indignation at home and a massive influx of GI's to Europe.

If not, know any good Bortsch recipes, comrade?
 

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Mmm, Borscht...

I'm impressed with your single-minded dedication to the air war, and the results you achieved against Germany and Italy. But even assuming you can establish the same wasteland across the Soviet Union as you did against the Germans, by your own count it will take a few months to fully see the effects of it. And by then, those Russian boots will be well into Central Europe, I fear.

Will be interesting to see how this repeat of 1940-1943 plays out. :)
 

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1st July 1945, Whitehall.

Sir Charles strode into the conference room.

" Good morning gentlemen, shall we begin please?"

" Yes Sir" replied the staff officer whose turn it was to conduct the morning briefing. He swallowed hard. This was his first time up the front and Sir Charles' sharp mind and acid tongue was legendary.

" As you are aware today marks the 76th day since hostilities commenced with the Soviet Union, and the 61st day since Operation Nicholas was put into effect. The situ...."
" Yes we are aware of that, please get on with it - I am briefing the King in an hour."
"Of course Sir. We will follow the usual format - agenda items will be 1. European Situation, 2. Asian Situation, 3. Air War Status, 4. Intelligence Estimate. If I could direct your attention to the European operations map on the wall behind me:

PAAAEuroJul45.jpg

" As can be seen the front line continues to remain static. As you aware some provinces have been lost in Hungary and and few provinces from East Prussia and Eastern Poland, but we have not seen the wholesale collapse of the French Army that we were expecting. However we have detected significant reinforcements crossing the bomb line which we expect means a major offensive in East Prussia within the next 1-2 weeks. Please refer to this image captured from a photo reconnaissance Valiant yesterday:

PAAAReinforJul45.jpg

"Excellent. More mouths to feed. The more troops Stalin pours into the logistics cauldron the greater the starvation will be" observed Sir Charles.

" Quite Sir. But of course these units will be fully operational for 30 days before we see the impact. We are lucky that it appears to be mainly marching infantry."

"What's the situation in Budapest?"

"Quiet Sir. The 51st Highlanders and the 1st and 6th Airborne Divisions have reported no activity in their sectors, and Transport Command is experiencing no disruption to it's resupply flights. At this point we believe we can hold indefinitely."

PAAABudpJul45.jpg

"What's that French Chappie doing out their all on his own?"

"Well sir, its the damnest thing. They were originally part of the garrison, and then one day they just sort of.......left. No one is in contact with them, the French High Command have washed their hands of the whole affair, and well no one seems to be able to get them to come back."

"How extraordinary."

"Indeed Sir, now if I can direct your attention to the Asian situation map on the opposite wall:

PAAAAsiaJul45.jpg


" Here Sir the situation appears rather different. You'll note immediately the major concentration of Soviet armour and mechanised troops. This does appear to be where they are making their main effort. Northern Korea is proving a tough nut for them to crack - their armoured units are not performing well against the Australian, Dutch, French and American infantry divisions that have entrenched in the mountains. I'm afraid the situation in mainland China is not looking good. Although we have been able to contain and reduce the pocket at Shanghai through logistics attacks on the ports, the French just don't have the troops to hold the line."

"I see. Any good news?"

"Yes Sir the Americans have finally taken charge of a foothold on the Asian continent rather than fighting under French command. They have taken over responsibility for the Dalian pocket. We believe this signals an increasing commitment on behalf of our cousins to finally go toe to toe with the enemy."

"Excellent - now tell me what's happening in the air."

"Well Sir, all good news there. Operations along the corridor continue to be unhindered by Soviet air activity. The few times we have encountered Soviet fighters they have been clearly outclassed by our aeroplanes:

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"We are also seeing the first signs of supply disruption at the front - these reports have just come in over the last few days:

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"The groups are reporting they are starting to run out of targets - particularly in the Pripyet Area which was woefully underdeveloped in the first place. For example yesterday No 4 Group dropped 6300 thousand pound bombs on what they described as a Livestock Logistics Corridor."

"A what?"

"A goat track Sir".

"I see. Best delete that one from the minutes Henderson, don't want to upset the Treasury needlessly".

"Of course Sir"

" So Sir, it appears our strategy is starting to work, and that leads us to the intelligence assessment, item 4 on the Agenda."

" Yes, do go on the clock is ticking."

"Of course sir. Well, I don't quite know how to say this. Please forgive me for being so direct, but Sir when you take into account all of the above, and assess the big picture, it rather appears that we have cocked up".

Sir Charles' eyes narrowed and a deep frown creased his forehead "Do go on".

"Well Sir, you can't but help conclude that we have built our logistics barrier on the wrong side of the world. We missed the main Soviet thrust, and now it appears our allies are fighting the main war in Asia, and Sir we're just not where we should be."

"In hindsight it is all clear. I rather think the Soviet high command in Europe was just as surprised at Stalin's move as we were. You see, the best Soviet units had been shifted to Asia to fight the Japanese, and when Japan surrendered and Stalin immediately declared war on us, they were caught with their troops in Asia. So it appears sir they have just carried on. I'm afraid our assessment is we are only up against third raters at best in Europe."

Suddenly Sir Charles sat bolt upright and stared intently at the Asian map - old hands had seen this before, the old man was having one of his legendary revelations.

In a quiet voice he addressed the Senior Intelligence Officer in the room, Air Commodore Wilson.

"Wilson, tell me about the logistics routes for the Soviet Pacific Theatre."

"Well Sir, they really only have the Trans Siberian railway and a few roads which are any good, and in a few places the corridor is quite narrow, only a few provinces wide......." the Air Commodore's voice trailed off as the implications of what he was saying hit home.

A couple of the brighter Staff Officers leapt from their seats and ran in the direction of the photo reconnaissance room, they had already anticipated what Sir Charles was about to say next.

"Gentlemen, if we can find and bomb those provinces, we have the chance to starve an entire Soviet theatre. I expect an operations plan within 24 hours."

"Now if you'll excuse me Gentlemen, the King is waiting."
 
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The best of the Soviet troops, relying on a single railroad to survive? This is too good.
 

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The Red Arny in Asia is about to find out exactly how vunrenable the bottleneck in their supplylines are.
Do you even have enough bombers to make another large supply barrier? Wow
 

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24th December 1945 - Whitehalll.

Sir Charles Portal peered through the window of his office at the steel grey clouds outside and involuntarily shivered. It looked like snow. So London was to get it's white Christmas after all. He ambled over to the coal fire in the corner, added a couple of fresh lumps, then returned to his desk. From the corridor he could hear faint laughter and the clinking of drinks coming from the Intelligence department. A spot of Christmas cheer is just what the team needs he thought. By all measures, they had certainly earned it.

Sir Charles turned his attention to the first draft of the end of year situation report on his desk. He needed to complete his review before he could depart and snatch a few hours with his family. He reached for his pipe, stoked up a fresh bowl of Player's Navy Cut, and as the room began to fill with clouds of blue smoke turned his attention to the European situation map in Appendix 1.

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The communists had been surprisingly inactive on this front for most of the war, and in fact had started to yield ground. The Poles had been able to reoccupy most of the provinces they had lost to Stalin in 1939, and in a number of places were approaching the bomb line within the Soviet Union itself. Resistance was weak, and where the French and Poles pushed they normally were able to advance. The French were cautious however, and the opportunity to press the advantage was not taken. The memories of 1812 must die hard within the French High Command, thought Sir Charles.

Turning his attention to the situation map of the Balkans, Sir Charles allowed himself a slight smile as he saw the Soviets once again advancing into the central mountain ranges of Greece. Oh dear, don't they ever learn? I guess that's what happens when you shoot commanders who fail, rather than let them learn to fight another day. It was only two months previously that an enormous soviet army of 30 divisions and 19 headquarters had been trapped and forced to surrender in central Greece. The latest photo reconnaissance images showed them repeating the same plan, and once again the British were resolutely holding the flank ports of Salonika and Tirana.

PAAAGreDec45.jpg


Just like last time, once the Soviets reach the gates of Athens, Victor Valiants flying from Cyprus and Northern Italy will paralyse their logistics, while fast mechanised units will race across the peninsula and complete the encirclement. Sir Charles was glad to see his army colleagues finally being given a chance to prove their mettle. It was only a recent decision to allow the army to re-equip it's marching infantry with armoured personnel carriers, and they were only too keen to demonstrate their worth. Well no doubt they will have plenty more opportunities before this war is over.

The situation in Asia had proved troublesome for the Alllies over the last six months, but at least now the tide had appeared to turn. Reviewing the situation map, Sir Charles was moved to remember the bitterly fought, but ultimately failed campaign on the Korean Peninsula, then the joyous victory that followed Nationalist China's entry into the war on the Allied side.

PAAAAsiaDec45.jpg



Although the RAF had extended it's logistics bombing campaign to the soviet pacific territories the critical rail junctions proved to be beyond the range of the bombers, and what help could be extended proved to be too late for the hard pressed allied troops in Korea. But the fall of the Korean peninsula had triggered an unexpected windfall. Nationalist China, fearing the communist menace now descending from the north, struck the Soviet flank without warning and in the resulting chaos 14 Soviet armoured and mechanised divisions, plus 8 HQ's, were trapped and forced to surrender in Central China. After that victory, and with increasing signs the logistics bombing offensive was having an impact, the Chinese and American advance continued, with the culmination being the liberation of Peking just yesterday.

The RAF contribution to the North Asian war had so far not been decisive, but plans were afoot to address that. The British Army and Navy had recently seized the port and airfield complex of Ulya on the Sea of Okhotsk, and Valiants were already operating deep into the Soviet interior. In North Western India, Lt General Slim's corps of Indian infantry were advancing into Hotan after completion of new mountain passes allowed the troops to scramble over the ranges. Both thrusts were aimed at extending British airpower into central asia.

Sir Charles wrote his final comments in the margin and put down his pen. Glancing at his watch he confirmed he still had time to call into the Foreign Office for a Christmas sherry with the permanent secretary. He had some interesting ideas regarding Turkey and Persia that he wanted to discuss.........
 
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Stalin/the AI seems incapable of countering your specific strategy. It's a compelling read to see how the Soviets' overwhelming superiority in boots on the ground is squandered. :)

I'm also enjoying the quick vignettes with Sir Charles - adds life to the story. My dad used to smoke and I can almost smell it when you're writing about the pipe stuff. Not a smell I really want to remember, mind you, but proof of the evocativeness (yes I know that's not a word, damn you spell check) of it. :)
 

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Stalin/the AI seems incapable of countering your specific strategy. It's a compelling read to see how the Soviets' overwhelming superiority in boots on the ground is squandered. :)

I'm also enjoying the quick vignettes with Sir Charles - adds life to the story. My dad used to smoke and I can almost smell it when you're writing about the pipe stuff. Not a smell I really want to remember, mind you, but proof of the evocativeness (yes I know that's not a word, damn you spell check) of it. :)


Thanks for the feedback. The style is evolving as I get into it, as you can see from the previous posts. It started off just as a dry game description, but after reading a few of the efforts from others here thought I better put more Into it.

I grew up in a time when it was perfectly acceptable for Dad to light up a pipe in a small three bedroom house, and we lived in clouds of smoke. Ah the good old days.....
 

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2nd July 1946 - RAF Constanta, Romania.

The gleaming Avro Vulcan thumped onto the Soviet built runway and Sir Charles glanced at his watch - less than three hours from RAF Scampton to edge of the Black Sea, quite impressive. With a wry smile he recalled that when he was appointed Chief of the Air Staff, just over 10 years ago, the RAF boasted the Armstrong Whitworth Whitley as it's brand new, state of the art heavy bomber. Now he presided over a force of 3000 of these delta winged marvels. Flying at more than 50,000 ft at 900km/h it was highly unlikely the Soviets, who were yet to deploy the jet engine, would ever bring one down. And that was just as well, thought Sir Charles, given the noises the present government was making about defence expenditure.

In recent months defence acquisition had been severely curtailed as the government embarked upon a massive public works campaign. Throughout the empire, in a great arc stretching from Great Britain to India and Malaya, new roads, railways, ports and airfields were under construction as the government sought to calm growing nationalist feelings in the colonies. It appeared the politicians were convinced the war in the East would soon be over. We shall see, he thought. As the bomber taxied to the dispersal Sir Charles again opened the briefing document prepared by his staff and pulled out the European situation map.

PAAAEuroJul46.jpg


Certainly there were grounds for optimism. The last six months had seen a series of stunning victories in the Balkans that had carried the Allies to the edge of the Black Sea and had inflicted hundreds of thousands of casualties on the communist forces. It had started in Yugoslavia. In a bold move British mechanised forces had forced a passage down the Aegean coast and in a great sweeping motion had turned in-land and linked up with French forces advancing from the North. Into the bag went nearly the entire Yugoslav field army, some 20 divisions plus headquarters units, and a significant number of Soviet advisers and "volunteers".

The next calamity for the Soviets came shortly thereafter. Stunned by the loss of their Army and the unstoppable allied advance that followed it, Yugoslavia sued for peace. The abrupt surrender caught a number of Soviet infantry and armoured divisions deep behind enemy lines. Very few were able to make it to safety. The British and French forces then linked up with Turkish troops advancing from Istanbul and a general advance proceeded through Bulgaria, Hungary and into Southern Romania. Everywhere Soviet forces fell back in disarray, hurried on their way by the tactical bombers of the RAF.

In the Middle East the situation was not ideal, but at least now appeared stable. Turkey and Persia both launched offensives into the southern provinces of the Soviet Union, both had made little progress, and in Persia's case the advance had soon degenerated into a humiliating retreat which brought Soviet forces to the gates of Tehran. With a quick glance at the situation map however, Sir Charles was able to reassure himself that the front had stabilised after a significant influx of allied forces into the Theatre. The British contribution had been an infantry corps from India and two airborne divisions, while the Americans had deployed a corps of United States Marines. The oilfields vital for the ongoing effectiveness of the RAF should now be secure.


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If any Theatre demonstrated how badly the war was going for Stalin it was in North Asia. For all intents and purposes the front had collapsed, with Chinese and American forces advancing virtually unopposed. The Korean peninsula had once again been liberated, and Vladivostok had fallen with barely a shot fired.


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Deep in thought, Sir Charles had failed to notice the Vulcan had come to a halt and the crew hatch had been opened for his exit. Quickly gathering his papers, he followed the directions of the flight engineer and carefully descended the ladder. He blinked in the bright sunlight and made his way over to the small welcoming party standing nearby.

" Welcome to RAF Constanta Sir. I'm Group Captain Watford, Station Commander. I trust your flight was comfortable?"

"Yes, quite acceptable. Have the others arrived?"

" Yes Sir. General Dill and Admiral Cunningham are both in the conference centre. We'll kick off as soon as you're ready."

"Quite, let's go then shall we?"

As he moved towards the Station Commanders car Sir Charles took in the activity around him. Watford had certainly not been idle since taking over this base from retreating Soviet forces less than a month ago. On the other side of the existing runway Royal Engineers were hard at work preparing an additional one. Beyond them he could see other parties preparing new aprons, hangars, fuel facilities and ordnance bunkers. Yet more were lengthening the existing runway so it could accommodate the take off run of a fully loaded Vulcan. Excellent, he thought. This upgraded base is critical for the British contribution to the upcoming invasion of Ukraine and Southern Russia, the discussion of which was the purpose of this Chiefs of Staff meeting.

He had reviewed the plan on the flight over. The air contribution was quite simple. Strategic bombing of industrial centres and close air support of advancing ground forces. Seemed simple enough. Operation Nicholas, the logistics bombing offensive, ended a month ago in anticipation of Allied ground forces crossing the bomb line in the coming month, so he had ample forces to fulfil the tasks allocated. He biggest concern was the lack of aviation infrastructure in Central Russia. Once the advance had gone beyond the frontiers the ability of the RAF to influence the ground war will depend on the number of airfields seized and made ready for allied operations. He hoped for a quick end to war, no one was looking forward to having to fight a winter campaign.

As he reached the car the thunderous roar of four Hawker Hunters taking off in formation filled the air. He watched as they slowly gained altitude under the weight of a full load of bombs and rockets, banked to the North then gradually merged with the horizon.
 
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I'm really enjoying this. Can we get an overview of the RAF. I'm curious as to how many planes you have and how you grouped them.


Sure.

The RAF presently consists of 96 air units, all of them upgraded to latest tech, consisting of:

21 Interceptors - Gloster Meteor Mk1
18 MR Fighters - Gloster Meteor F8
2 Rocket Interceptors - Hawker P1052
8 Close Air Support - Hawker Hunter
10 Tactical Bombers - de Havilland Venom
30 Strategic Bombers - Avro Vulcan
4 Naval Bombers - Avro Shackleton
3 Transports - Short Belfast

In addition there are 29 Carrier Air Groups deployed on 16 Large Carriers.

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Strategic bombers: by themselves in groups of 2 or 3. I aim to establish air superiority in the provinces I'm going to send them into rather than group them with Fighters or Interceptors.
CAS -group 2 with an interceptor, the CAS define the range of this group (and a MR Fighters range would be wasted grouped with CAS).
Tactical bombers - group 2 with a MR Fighter, the MR Fighter sets the range of this group.
Naval bombers - if there is an air threat I group 2 with a MR FTR.
Remaining INT and FTR's - group 2 or 3 depending on the threat.
Transports - like STRAT bombers - only fly them into areas where I've got air superiority missions.

I've also upgraded a heap of airfields, radar stations, antiaircraft guns etc.
 
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In game terms (since one wing equals '100 engines' and CAGs are half size), that roughly comes out to 6,000 single engine aircraft, 600 twin engine, an 1,000 four engine aircraft that could be launched tomorrow morning. Impressive.