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Of course you realize that that means you could just bomb a circle around Berlin and the whole wermacht would go out of supply. I truly hate the capitol centric supply system.

Lol - maybe I should be filing this AAR under bug report for fixing in HOI4 !

With today's processing power you'd think you'd be able to set up logistics so that supplies are created and transported from production centres to the closest units that need them.
 

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Next three month update - the image below is the current state of Europe in January 1943. The boys definitely did not make it home for Christmas......

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The French Army and BEF have made significant inroads into Western Germany, but the advance has been brought to a halt due to the changed situation caused by a significant widening of the war in Nov-Dec'42.

Firstly, Japan declared war on the USA and the Netherlands which immediately dragged France and the UK into an Asian War, which France particularly is not ready to fight. The UK should be able to hold it's own and all modern carriers and approximately 10 units of the RAF have been deployed to Singapore to hold the line until the German War is concluded. There has been no significant activity in Asia as of the date of this despatch.

The happy consequences of this belligerent act is the USA has joined the Allies. At first there was no declaration of war on Germany, but then a bizarre turn of events described below resulted in America's entry to the European conflict.

As the Allied armies rolled into the Ruhr, across the North German plain and through Bavaria there were increasing signs of panic emanating from Berlin , but nobody was quite expecting a German declaration of war on Greece. An indignant USA immediately declared war on Germany, which was promptly followed by the remaining non-belligerent Axis members, Romania, Hungry and Bulgaria declaring war on the Allies. Bulgaria concerned itself with invading Greece, but the bulk of the Romanian and Hungarian armies were deployed to bolster German units in the west. This unwelcome development resulted in a significant influx of fully supplied units which have effectively halted the advance. The RAF duly welcomed the Balkan countries to the war by immediately flattening their capitals on day one - welcome to the war gentlemen!

In a further bizarre twist, after the Romanian and Hungarian armies had completed their deployment to Germany, Berlin decided to declare war on Yugoslavia which has exposed her allies to an immediate Yugoslavian attack. The Yugoslav army is advancing across open ground towards both Budapest and Bucharest.

The air staff are now reviewing modifications to the strategy to take into account the new situation. The men of bomber command have been recalled from Christmas leave and target briefings have been announced for 2nd January. The war rolls on.

Meanwhile we note with approval two US airborne divisions deployed to the Western Front under French command.
 
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Of course you realize that that means you could just bomb a circle around Berlin and the whole wermacht would go out of supply. I truly hate the capitol centric supply system.
The capital and all adjacent provinces have infinite supply throughput, actually. You'd have to bomb every province in a wide circle around Berlin. But you're right, it's a weird system, especially considering a major HoI2 expansion had supplies produced in IC in your core territories, rather than all going to the capital.
 
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France conquered Germany on the 8th March 1943. Just the Balkan allies to clean up now.

Given the point of this AAR has been demonstrated I won't provide any further updates on this game, but I will write a summary in a day or so on some of the interesting aspects of this approach.
 
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Well that was quite an effective war. The supply system has sometimes been a really frustrating part because of the limited control you have over it and its capital-centric approach. I hope HOI IV does it better.
 

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Well, this strategy went astonishingly good, the poor german had no chance after you halted their advance in France, did they?
Will you do a rematch once HOI IV comes out?
If the supply system is better, as @sebas379 hopes, it might be more tedious (and thus, entertaining for ous readers) to achieve victory.
 

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Can you try to invade the USSR now? That I want to see.
 

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Wow, great developments. Can't see what the future has in store.

Also, lol, that German AI throwing away its advantage after the Balkans come to its help.
 

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When I started this AAR it commenced with the counter-attack - ie after the German and Italian invasion had been starved to a halt. For the sake of completeness attached below are two shots showing the highwater marks from the German and Italian invasion.

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The image above, from Oct 1940, shows how sad things had become. The French army was in disarray. HQ's were being overrun in the South by thrusting motorised and armoured divisions, while in the North Paris was surrounded on four sides by German troops and the Seine had been crossed at Le Havre. The RAF, flying from bases in southern England, constantly strafed and bombed the advancing columns, but their advance seemed irresistible. The King of Belgium and his staff, incensed at having had to flee the panzers once before, refused to move from their lodgings at the Hotel Meurice and the Hotel Manager was aghast when the King and his aides set up a machine gun in the lobby. The concierge however, who had fought at Verdun in 1916, admired the spirit of the Belgian King, and regarded with disdain the French High command which had fled into the countryside SW of Paris. From now on General Gamelin will only be seated at the most unfashionable table in the restaurant.

There was uproar in the House of Commons when the opposition parties moved a vote of no confidence in the Government, saying the strategic airpower doctrine adopted from 1936 had badly weakened the western allies and exposed our gallant ally France to the shame of defeat and humiliation. The Air Marshalls gritted their teeth and exhorted their tired men to even greater efforts, while the Admirals and Generals quietly gloated that these new upstarts in the Royal Air Force had achieved their just desserts and defence expenditure would soon be returning to it's traditional focus on the Navy and Army. There were ugly scenes at the Savoy Grill where junior officers of the rival services engaged in behaviour which could only be described as "ungentlemanly". It was noted the King no longer wore his RAF uniform in public, favouring his Naval uniform at official functions.

The world watched and expected the worse.

But in mid October returning aircrews started to report unmistakable signs across the Northern front that something was "odd". At first they reported a slackening of anti-aircraft fire, with German units only engaging at the last possible moment, rather than producing the indiscriminate walls of flak which was their usual response to the appearance of aeroplanes. Then long columns of stationary vehicles were noted. Soon reports from the French High command indicated that attacks were slackening, and in some cases localised counterattacks found surprising success. In a handful of cases French units reported being subjected to bayonet charges by German infantry. The men of Bomber Command, who had been constantly attacking bridges, railway yards and supply depots for six months, reported huge stockpiles of war material building in Eastern Germany.

In the North the danger had passed, but in the south the Italians were still unchecked. With confidence growing in this new way of waging war, the RAF intensified its efforts against the Italian forces.

By May 1941 that effort had borne fruit:

PAAAFrMay41.jpg


The Italians had been halted at Bordeux, and the French army had re-established a continuous front from the Atlantic to the North Sea. In the North, the Germans had retreated from Paris and the Channel ports had been liberated. With the British army having completed its campaign in North Africa and having recently occupied Sardinia, the Chiefs of Staff were contemplating a bold new plan focused on Marseilles. A surprise invasion and link up with French forces attacking from the North had the potential to trap significant axis forces against the Spanish border. Mr Churchill exhorted the British peoples to greater efforts, saying this is not the beginning of the end, but perhaps it is the end of the beginning.

At the Hotel Meurice, the concierge noted the Belgian machine gun was gone. The manager was smiling for the first time in over a year.
 
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Some thoughts on using the Airpower Strategy for the UK.

Pro's
  • Focusing on land and sea based airpower for a European campaign puts the UK into a strong position for taking on Japan early. Without having to wait for the American buildup, providing things have gone well in Europe, Japan can find itself on the wrong side of history almost from the start. For example when Japan finally entered the war in November '42, the Royal Navy could field 8 fleet carriers (5 modern) and 3 escort carriers, with another 5 due for completion in the following 12 months. With the war in Europe going well, this fleet was able to take on Japan right from the start.
  • With no large land army to feed, maintain and upgrade you are never short of IC. I was able to lend lease between 20-30 IC to France and Norway throughout most of the war, and always upgrade air units as fast as possible with each technical advance.
  • Ignoring the land army techs meant your air and naval equipment and doctrines were always first class.
  • The UK can focus on nice to haves. Britain was the first to field an atomic weapon, dropping a bomb on Tokyo in April'44.
  • The AI doesn't seem to know how to counter it as a strategy. I don't think it expects one power to get grossly ahead on air power that soon - so it's usual historical focus for Germany is thrown off balance by this approach. In a global game of rock, paper, scissors - it's a UK rock to a German scissors.

Con's
  • Loss of flexibility - you can only fight where you have access to airbases (carrier aviation is relatively weak). Fortunately this is fine for the UK for most parts of the world where there is likely to be action, but if you find yourself embroiled in deepest Africa or Russia it might be a limiting factor.
  • You're relying on the AI controlled countries to do most of the fighting on land and to execute the strategy, so you are playing a supporting role. It can be frustrating at times.
  • This was Stalin's dream outcome. Germany crushed and France bled white, there are no land forces left in Western Europe that have any hope of challenging the Red Army. Should Stalin move West, would the RAF be able to effect the same outcome? (more on that question below).
  • Lack of automation - the handy AI controlled tools developed for HOI3 weren't really designed with managing a strategic air (or naval!) campaign in mind. It would be nice if you could set up naval and air HQ's that were led by RN and RAF officers (historically Bomber Command, Fighter Command, Western Approaches, etc) rather than having to subordinate them to Generals.

How to counter it?

If you were playing a human player and someone threw this at you you can do the following:
  • Focus all your fighters on intercepting the infrastructure raids. The AI doesn't do this, trying to spread it's air commitments across all needs, but a strategic campaign directed against you needs a strategic response.
  • Upgrade the theory supply throughput doctrine and research civil defence.
  • Rotate units out of the starvation zone then bring them back when replenished. When supply is disrupted your units start to eat into their 30 day reserve they carry with them. By sending a depleted unit out of the effected area, then bringing it back, you get another 30 days of campaigning.

Is it realistic?

Is this a case of just exploiting some obscure game rules or is it a realistic simulation of what might have happened had the UK adopted this strategy from 1936 onwards? I like to think it's the latter. Historically the allied airforces were able to achieve a high degree of disruption to German logistics and supply in the period prior to and after D-Day, by focusing on logistics targets throughout France. By the end of the war, the RAF numbered 9200 machines. In this game, by January 1943 (only a few months before Germany surrendered) the RAF and Fleet Air Arm numbered 10,200 machines, of which 2300 were Lancasters.

Where to From Here

  • I'll keep the game going just to see what happens with Russia. After Germany's surrender the Soviet Union declared war on the remaining axis powers which resulted in Hungry, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia falling under communist control. Japan, having been nuked, hasn't got long to go.

Europe in May 1944. France is a continental superpower but has precious few units to hold onto it.........

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Well, with the Sovietic hordes at the gates, and the french army in so tiny numbers, I don't think their élan is going to win a war against Russia.
But the UK is already Airstrip one ;P, so maybe you'll stop them at the channel.
 

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Glad you held onto the strategy of assaulting their logistics. The strategy was clearly working. Too many times in history the right strategy was dropped and led to failure.
For example germany stopping focus on Britain's raf attacks, airfields ect and moved to the blitz.
Even ancient history had fallen into this trap. Julies caesers super seige of alesia against vercegetoix. The gauls strategy of using cavalry to harass roman engineers building the wall and killing foragers after vercengetorix's scorched earth policy,was thrown away to bring more gaulish troops to the field led caeser to complete his wall and forage freely. Ended in ultimate defeat.

Hanging onto a working strategy is sometimes the best course of action if you try and peer into the future and look at the long term situation rather than rash decisions made from lack of vision.
 

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17th April 1945 - Whitehall.

Sir Charles Portal, Chief of the Air Staff, sank heavily into his chair and contemplated the accumulation of paperwork on his desk. He was tired. Yesterday's cabinet meeting and the following Chiefs of Staff meeting had gone long into the night, and it seemed only a few hours ago he returned to his club to catch a few hours restless sleep. Big Ben chimed 7 and he instinctively looked at his watch, a habit that had been with him ever since his first posting to the air staff, which at that moment seemed a very long time ago.

Poland, he thought. Why was it always Poland. Twice in six years Britain had been plunged into war over that unfortunate little country, and just when hopes for peace had been so high. Japan's surrender on the 15th April, which came only 15 hours after the use of a second atomic weapon, this time on Osaka, raised hopes everywhere that the worlds people were once again able to live in peace. But it was not to be. The VJ party was just starting to get under way in the streets of London when an urgent phone call informed him there was a flap on at the Foreign Office and an emergency cabinet meeting was being convened immediately, and would Sir Charles please make himself available to attend at the Prime Minister's express invitation.

Hastening to the cabinet rooms it became apparent to Sir Charles that several of the cabinet members had been availing themselves of celebratory drinks, obviously for a number of hours. The Head of Intelligence, the renowned Australian drunk Sir Robert Menzies, could barely stand. Excited murmurs swept the room as each new arrival tried to find out if anyone knew what was up. Finally the Prime Minister swept into the room followed by a worried looking Foreign Minister. "Gentlemen please be seated", he began. "I regret to inform you that a short while ago this government received a despatch from the Soviet Union informing us that as of 1700 GMT a state of war now existed between that country and Poland. The despatch requested that the Allies remain neutral in this conflict, which the Soviets have described as a minor regional matter aimed at rectifying certain border irregularities. I have discussed with my French counterpart and we are of the same opinion. This naked aggression cannot be allowed to stand, and as Poland is a member of our alliance a state of war now exists between us." The room was silent, each man contemplating the ramifications of a war against communism.

Sir Anthony Eden started shaking his head and muttering in a barely audible voice. "Those damn fool Poles. I told them to stop agitating for the return of the occupied provinces, at least until the Asian war was over and France had returned her army to Europe, but they wouldn't listen. Kept on about the honour and sanctity of the Polish nation. Well now I fear they have created a bitter brew and we all must taste a full measure."

"Bullshit" shouted Menzies, "We'll nuke the bastards. What do you say Charlie?". The PM glared at the inebriated Australian, then turned to Sir Charles. " Indeed Sir Charles, I think we would all like to hear what the air staff has in store for our new foes?"

Just then the French Ambassador had entered the room. He had looked ill, and Sir Charles now understood why. Looking up from his desk to two giant maps on his wall, Sir Charles studied for the hundredth time the disposition of allied forces in Europe and Asia. They had been caught on the hop - Stalin certainly picked his moment.

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"Sir, please give me 15 hrs to confer with my staff. Can I suggest we reconvene at 1200 tomorrow, for a briefing on our response options?".

And thus was born Operation Nicholas, the subject of yesterday's meeting. Sir Charles reached for the folio on his desk, and pulled out the map contained within. The plan was simple in it's conception but breathtaking in it's ambition.


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The plan was to establish a logistics barrier across the breadth of Russia, stretching from Riga on the Baltic to Odessa on the Black sea. Each bomb symbol denoted a three province grouping, each to be assigned to a group of 3 heavy bombers. The explosion marks indicated airfields that were to be attacked in the opening phase of the Operation to gain security for the heavies. The Vickers Valiants may be faster and far more sophisticated than anything the Soviets are likely to possess, but they are all that stands between freedom and slavery, and every bomber is precious. The Royal Navy yesterday issued deployment orders for carriers into the Baltic and the Black Sea which are expected to gain and maintain air superiority along the corridor, while the heavies will shortly be on their way to Copenhagen, Berlin, Rhodes and Cyprus. Additional fighters are being deployed to Central Europe, but a question remains as to how long the ground forces will be able to prevent those airfields from being overrun.

The topic of atomic weapons proved a controversial one, and for the moment authority for their use has not been given. The main concern was from the French, who as always have one eye on the future. Although it wasn't expressly stated the French are fearful that should their army fail to hold the Red Army, the reprisals inflicted upon the French population by an Army whose homeland had been subjected to atomic attack would be fearful. For the moment, the topic has been adjourned.

Sir Charles' contemplation was interrupted by the ear splitting whistle of jet engines. He glanced at his watch, right on time he thought. That will be the Meteor's of 151 Squadron deploying to East Prussia. Good hunting chaps.
 
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Yesssss
 
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This is going to be something.
Also, as a desperate measure, consider the use of a nuke tactically. It'll ruin the infrastructure of a province and the organization of the troops within.
 

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Fantastic. Hard to imagine small things like starvation or lack of weapons slowing down the Red Army, but it's a worthy experiment!

But if you stop their Vodka you might cause a mutiny.....
 
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This is going to be something.
Also, as a desperate measure, consider the use of a nuke tactically. It'll ruin the infrastructure of a province and the organization of the troops within.

Cheers - we'll keep that one up the sleeve. I'm hoping they'll grind to a halt around Berlin.
 

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Well, with the Sovietic hordes at the gates, and the french army in so tiny numbers, I don't think their élan is going to win a war against Russia.
But the UK is already Airstrip one ;P, so maybe you'll stop them at the channel.

Love the Orwell reference - what a great book !
 
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