Peasant Rebel controlled provinces 'defecting' back to owner

[The-King]

Hi, I wasn't sure whether this was a bug or something in but I will explain the situation as its possible someone could offer advice.

I have a fairly large Commonwealth nation and I'm trying to get to noble republic. I waited to get to noble republic after I formed commonwealth because I did not want the personal union with lithuania to end. My method of becoming a noble republic is letting peasant rebels take over enough of my nation so that they are able to enforce demands. Unfortunately after I while I keep getting those peasant provinces defecting back to me. Its very frustrating because the peasants are so slow. Too slow infact that they will never be able to enforce demands.

It seems that even at -3 stability I am impervious to peasants and they will likely never be able to enforce their demands faster then provinces returning. Does anyone have any advice for this scenario? Do you think peasant controlled provinces should return back to their owner after a time (a few years usually)?

BEFORE and AFTER screenshots

 

[The-King]

Just to add a bit more information, it appears that when peasant rebels take control of a province they lose progress to enforcing their demand. This doesn't seem to make sense...

more before and after

 

[MiniaAr]

Just to add a bit more information, it appears that when peasant rebels take control of a province they lose progress to enforcing their demand. This doesn't seem to make sense...

more before and after

This looks really tedious. There sould really be a desion as the Commonwealth to allow you to switch to a Noble Republic, as the one really gets with the other.

 

[The-King]

This looks really tedious. There sould really be a desion as the Commonwealth to allow you to switch to a Noble Republic, as the one really gets with the other.

Yes, its very tedious, I've been trying to give in to the rebel demands for 20 years(I started in 1585, the year is currently 1605)

This is my progress so far.....

I feel my only two choices are:

• Release as many nations until I am small enough that the peasants can make progress
• A friend suggested to incite a civil war or peasant rebellion, using the strategy of holding a lot of uncored provinces so that overextension increases the chances of either of those civil wars to happen.

 

[The-King]

So... all my peasants just disappeared out of thin air. Years of work of actively trying to get crushed and getting demands enforced upon and all I have to show for this is a well-built, economically and politically stable region. WTF.

http://i.imgur.com/b3pdMFr.jpg

 

[beckermt]

So... all my peasants just disappeared out of thin air. Years of work of actively trying to get crushed and getting demands enforced upon and all I have to show for this is a well-built, economically and politically stable region. WTF.

http://i.imgur.com/b3pdMFr.jpg

This is the most hilarious thing ever. Anyway, it sounds a big bugged. Hack your way into a Noble Republic? Make an event or trigger one to switch to it?

 

[The-King]

This is the most hilarious thing ever. Anyway, it sounds a big bugged. Hack your way into a Noble Republic? Make an event or trigger one to switch to it?

Can't use console commands in ironman.

 

[sinkingmist]

I never tried the rebel conversion thing myself, but I'm pretty sure Peasant rebels and Revolutionary rebels are two completely different types of rebels.
What's almost certainly happening is that the rebels that you have (Peasants) ARE enforcing their demands on you (lowered taxes), which is leading to those rebels disappearing and control being returned to you (since they got what they wanted).

 

[Cattlehunter]

I never tried the rebel conversion thing myself, but I'm pretty sure Peasant rebels and Revolutionary rebels are two completely different types of rebels.
What's almost certainly happening is that the rebels that you have (Peasants) ARE enforcing their demands on you (lowered taxes), which is leading to those rebels disappearing and control being returned to you (since they got what they wanted).

Yes, the demands of the rebels are often lies, which has annoyed me extremely in the past as well. They will claim that their demands are something like convert your nation or change your government, but what they actually do is just increase revolt chance or lower taxes. I spent some 50 years as norway, after a bad revolt force-converted me to shamanism, trying to get rebels to force-convert me back to christianity, but whenevr they got to the point where they could enforce their demands to "make protestantism the official religion of norway", they'd instead lift the sieges on all the provinces they occupied and disappear.

So you can't trust what their demands say at all.

Eventually I just gave up that save.

 

[ByteJunk]

I'm pretty sure Peasant rebels and Revolutionary rebels are two completely different types of rebels.

This.

You have this kind:

The ones you want are these:

The wiki doesn't have much about the different types, unfortunately, but does have those images. I don't think you can "pick" to have one type of rebels or other, or at least I don't know how to influence their type. I had some American colonies that wanted to change my government...

I believe you can use the Revolution and Counter-Revolution idea to force a government change, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[The-King]

Peasant rebels have a 50% chance of converting a nation to a noble republic if they can enforce their demand. Thats what I was trying to do.

Revolution and Counter-Revolution idea won't work. There was a patch that fixed it, you can no longer declare war on someone(with that CB) to intentionally lose and change your government type.

 

[beckermt]

I believe you can use the Revolution and Counter-Revolution idea to force a government change, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Not since 1.2. You can't agree to a government change as tribute in a peace offer as the aggressor in a revolutionary war.

I am also "sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. " And I won't be surprised.

 

[Jomini]

Not since 1.2. You can't agree to a government change as tribute in a peace offer as the aggressor in a revolutionary war.

I am also "sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. " And I won't be surprised.

I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard that you can do so if you have a 100% victory against an AI Republic. E.g. You declare war on Venice, you defeat them and occupy all your provinces, you then offer to change your government in order to make peace. The AI takes the deal because it is less than 100%.

 

[ahuitzotl]

What you can do is "herd" the rebels toward your capital by blocking off other routes with superior forces (get military access from a neighbor to block if that path is open too because they will cross into another country and suicide its army just to troll you). If the capital falls, you get a timer and then they are guaranteed to enforce demands. Of course if it's peasants and after they win they decide "nah, we actually don't feel like a republic today guys. back to the farms" you are SOL.

This is very useful with a tiny Revolutionary stack when you just want them to conquer a line to the capital and not your whole country. Beware of hipster suicidal rebels though, they are too cool to take your capital and will refuse if it's right in front of them, they just want to become martyrs.. or they think it's a trap, or are just too smart for their own good. I had a rebel 5-stack once that I was herding to the capital with a few 15-stacks, I guess the little rebel army decided if everyone is running away from them they must be really scary and invincible, so they charge a force three times their size in an easily defensible province, I couldn't retreat fast enough so, bye bye revolutionary rebels

 

[The-King]

What are some conditions I need to have revolutionary rebels spawn? Also, ahuitzotl, that is good advice, when I get home I'll try to herd the rebels to my capital.

 

[ahuitzotl]

Thanks, good luck! I'm not sure what the conditions are but I'd love to know what generates them too.

I also strongly agree that Commonwealth should be able to switch to Noble Republic with a decision. It would be nice to see a decision for all countries actually, possibly dependent on low legitimacy / regency council, and/or completing an idea chain (innovative?) like the "Plutocratic Administration" decision requires you have Trade ideas filled to become a Merchant Republic.

 

[The-King]

I got back home and started trying to herd them. I felt I could do it two ways:

• Surround the peasant-sieging province with regiments except for the province I want them to go to, and then send a 'equivalent' army in to win the battle and make them retreat to the desired province.
• Similarly to the first, surround the peasant-sieging province with regiments except the desired province I want them to go to, then let them finish the siege and hope that they go to the only undefended adjacent province.

So here is my progress so far of trying to 'herd'

• Surround the peasant-sieging province with regiments except for the province I want them to go to, and then send a 'equivalent' army in to win the battle and make them retreat to the desired province.

Attempt 1 - It was a failure as I accidentally killed the stack(I thought I had too many). Before + After (They got completely wiped even though I didn't kill all of them, so I don't know where they went)

Attempt 2 - I used lower maintenance but I actually lost the battle, so I sent another stack in with very low morale maintenance. Screenshot. But in the end they got wiped even though I didn't 'kill them' (disappeared just like before). It failed just like before but it was even worse because it was next to my capital and I had such high hopes.

Attempt 3 - I tried to send in a lower amount of regiments and then reinforce with a couple more so they wouldn't die and I only barely won the fight. But after losing the battle the all the peasants decided to turn into ghosts.

• Similarly to the first, surround the peasant-sieging province with regiments except the desired province I want them to go to, then let them finish the siege and hope that they go to the only undefended adjacent province.

Attempt 1 - Had it surrounded but it didn't care and went straight for one of my armies and killed itself. Screenshot.


Unfortunately herding peasants to my capital doesn't seem to be viable, I'll have to hope that peasants spawn near my capital, occupy my capital and hope that they enforce their demands before my capital defects back to me. I'll also look into trying to get a civil war to start. However, if I'm doing the 'herding' thing wrong then I'll gladly accept some tips.

 

[The-King]

So I was trying my first method again. But instead of sitting there waiting for rebels to do stuff I declared war on Hungary first, occupied it. Right before peacing hungary I also declared war on Kazan and its allies and just fought battles and occupied minimal provinces so my people wouldn't force me out of the war too quickly. Basically I was hoping that the state of war would make peasant rebel occupied provinces not flip back to me. It didn't work.. and then game trolled me.

This is ridiculous the game is trolling me. I just want to become a noble republic.

 

[Saintrl]

Looks like you've gone too big to fail. All the lols.

Have you considered intentionally taking on MASSIVE war exhaustion to increase the rebel spawn rate? Maxed out war exhaustion can spawn some crippling rebel stacks. Dropping your legitimacy and prestige to nothing (or even negative) will probably affect how often the rebels spawn too.

 

[Red_warning]

Sweden own Riga... why are you allowing this? My OCD is going to kill me now.