Peaceful vassalization should brings no-at-all or less threat.

[Unready]

It is stupid when small independent county well inside my own realm costs me 8,5 threat but if I just conquer this it would cost me twice less.
Look at Neuchatel I have conquered, and their neighbors whom I have just asked.

 

[Thanat0S]

Agree! But I believe it's better to post this in the "Suggestion" SubForum.

 

[Maldeus]

While I think "little or none" would be an overcorrection, just because any kind of expansion signifies a willingness to gobble up neighbors that might get those neighbors nervous enough to make deals (especially if you gobble up lots of counties in rapid succession or all at once), I certainly agree that it's nonsense that totally non-violent expansion grants threat equal to or even greater than violent expansion. The threat gained by non-violent expansion should be no more than 75% of what you would've gained by conquest, but probably not less than 50%.

 

[BD13]

I hate this too. I think pretty much everyone agrees that offering vassalization should not increase threat as much as a war.

Problem is it would create a loophole in which you could offer independence to decrease threat and then offer vassalization after. I am guessing this is the reason why it hasn't been fixed or changed yet.

 

[Unready]

I hate this too. I think pretty much everyone agrees that offering vassalization should not increase threat as much as a war.

Problem is it would create a loophole in which you could offer independence to decrease threat and then offer vassalization after. I am guessing this is the reason why it hasn't been fixed or changed yet.

IMHO granting independence shouldn't decrease threat at all. Why it should? You were aggressor, you are now but with more targets for.
But re-union own cultured own de-jure countries in more defendable state it is not an aggression as I think.

 

[Gnorrosch]

Problem is it would create a loophole in which you could offer independence to decrease threat and then offer vassalization after.

You cannot grant independence to de-jure territory hold by same-religion nobles and it is very difficult to vassalize non-de-jure territory.

 

[TheTeaMustFlow]

You cannot grant independence to de-jure territory hold by same-religion nobles and it is very difficult to vassalize non-de-jure territory.

Difficult, but hardly impossible. All you need is a ruler with the same religion and culture at least two ranks below you, so the King of England can simply grant one of his English culture counts in de jure Wales independence, then revassalise him. This would be possible in almost every single post-1066 start.

 

[kmh42]

I add this to the list.
Further discussion is welcome!