peace treaties, like all international documents are complex, but I think there is a way to do it without completely changing the game. in fact without even changing the interface, one could allow the person demanding tribute to demand negative ducats, thus increasing the war-score.(obviously it would have to be capped). Also, it would be nice to be able to buy provinces and colonies without war.
Peace treaties ? Rarely one sided...
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The total war games had bi directional treaties and they were very easy to exploit. The player in EU3 could rort it so badly. Just annul a half dozen treaties and demand a crap load in return. It's not historical, but it is practical and done for game purposes.
People more or less already do that in actual EU3 diplomacy.
Matter of fact such comportment is SO predictible that it could be modded out in a second (just like the swapping of empires or crappy exchange)
EU3 ALREADY has a value system created for its treaties, each province has a different value based on culture, core, CB, etc... Same with ducats.
I don't see why we couldn't exploit that system to allow bilateral exchanges or peace treaties. (whereas if we had to code in all the values for the exchanges it would be impossible)
As I said earlier, if games like the Total war series could do it, (and i think we all agree their diplomacy is puny compared to EU's) surely we can.
I liked the idea of negative ducats (which would also allow the long overdue "Purchase of province").
The way I see it, the "Offer tribute" and "Demand Tribute" Tabs could be merged onto a single screen.
As such (sorry for the size)
You're right, it is abused now, but imagine just how abused it'll be once players can just buy the enemy's empire. The AI would even more be rorted. It'd also counter some of the good work all the new CBs have done as well.
Well, we don't need use examples of entirely different franchises: Vicky has the option to exchange provinces, claims and tech. In Revolutions the AI manages to use it quite well to come to a uniform Colonial empire for each major power.
that system must be in eu4. war is always the last resort! unless you're timurid or something
I disagree with the proposition. My reason to dislike it is that EU3 wars are just to uncompareable to what happened in real life to go with such a peace system. Most wars seem to be fought in a much more modern and "total" style of war.
It could work with more provinces and I mean really a lot more. So that I cant just march in with my troops, crush all oposition and siege the whole country down. If there would be more provinces in the game, it would become more interesting to go with a peace system like proposed. But for the moment, what is there to have from it really?
It could work with more provinces and I mean really a lot more. So that I cant just march in with my troops, crush all oposition and siege the whole country down. If there would be more provinces in the game, it would become more interesting to go with a peace system like proposed. But for the moment, what is there to have from it really?
I had made a similar thread with some proposals wihtout seeing this one.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459373
In regards to total war. In MIITW on any difficulty as England on Turn 1 you could exploit diplomacy and reduce France to Paris then only have to pay 1 gold piece per turn for the rest of the game until you canceled the tribute.
Besides as mentioned earlier there is an exploit on the current diplomacy for EU III HTTT, I used it earlier today when excommunicated to make peace with 6 different wars on the go with my soldiers almost destroyed and a Walloon revolt against Braband I made lots of treaties and canceled them without giving the provinces they want.
A better way to fix the game would be for the game to refuse a treaty when having a high war score unless they get at least one province rather than lots of Military access treaties being canceled.
The best thing would be a barter system which can only happen as a war treaty if the war has been for over 1 year and the score is between -7 to +7 but excluding -2 to +2 otherwise that should only allow a white peace.
The other score should allow trade and be restricted to what has been occupied in the war or otherwise money and treaties, or for more dramatic wars vassals and nations for provinces. The value of potential trade should be consistant with the damage caused during the war by both sides. Meaning that two sides who do not fight each other while allies fight instead and are minor to the alliances should only be able to do white peace or concession.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459373
In regards to total war. In MIITW on any difficulty as England on Turn 1 you could exploit diplomacy and reduce France to Paris then only have to pay 1 gold piece per turn for the rest of the game until you canceled the tribute.
Besides as mentioned earlier there is an exploit on the current diplomacy for EU III HTTT, I used it earlier today when excommunicated to make peace with 6 different wars on the go with my soldiers almost destroyed and a Walloon revolt against Braband I made lots of treaties and canceled them without giving the provinces they want.
A better way to fix the game would be for the game to refuse a treaty when having a high war score unless they get at least one province rather than lots of Military access treaties being canceled.
The best thing would be a barter system which can only happen as a war treaty if the war has been for over 1 year and the score is between -7 to +7 but excluding -2 to +2 otherwise that should only allow a white peace.
The other score should allow trade and be restricted to what has been occupied in the war or otherwise money and treaties, or for more dramatic wars vassals and nations for provinces. The value of potential trade should be consistant with the damage caused during the war by both sides. Meaning that two sides who do not fight each other while allies fight instead and are minor to the alliances should only be able to do white peace or concession.
About the cancel treaty exploit, the beta 4.1b fixes it, I think. Not completely sure, though, as I haven't lost a war yet 