PDS Developer Multiplayer Sessions - Res Publica

hajutze · May 21, 2014

Wiz said:
Perm starts with a fantastic monarch and heir (6/4/5 and 6/5/5 off the top of my head). Hungary also gets great rulers from the Hunyadi DHEs, so there's the common factor.

I am fully aware of the godly rulers but it just ... well Perm doesn't seem like a good choice for a MP game ... especially if someone is playing with Muscovy ...

Wagonlitz · May 21, 2014

Avernite said:
How is Denmark doing so well? At least someone put Aragon-France over Portugal's neck as a nice sword of Damocles, but Denmark just seems to be growing nicely.

Wiz is playing them.

Wizzington · May 21, 2014

hajutze said:
I am fully aware of the godly rulers but it just ... well Perm doesn't seem like a good choice for a MP game ... especially if someone is playing with Muscovy ...

I didn't say they were, was just explaining why AI Perm had great tech.

migalhone · May 21, 2014

So Diplo tech increases global settler increase? Hum now Muscowy can get expansion first, integrate Perm, level diplo tech and swarm over siberia in a similar way as they can in 1.5?

EDIT: A_Spec said that Expansion was changed to be a ADM tree instead of a DIP tree in order to help colonizers. I assume he's talking about historical colonizers such as Portugal, Spain, England and France. Why did they need help? Was this change induced so that they colonize faster? I fail to see why this is necessary.

grekulf · May 21, 2014

migalhone said:
So Diplo tech increases global settler increase? Hum now Muscowy can get expansion first, integrate Perm, level diplo tech and swarm over siberia in a similar way as they can in 1.5?

EDIT: A_Spec said that Expansion was changed to be a ADM tree instead of a DIP tree in order to help colonizers. I assume he's talking about historical colonizers such as Portugal, Spain, England and France. Why did they need help? Was this change induced so that they colonize faster? I fail to see why this is necessary.

Settler Growth increases from tech. The default base Settler Growth was cut because colonization was too fast.

Atlanteax · May 21, 2014

grekulf said:
Settler Growth increases from tech. The default base Settler Growth was cut because colonization was too fast.

Awesome.

migalhone · May 21, 2014

grekulf said:
Settler Growth increases from tech. The default base Settler Growth was cut because colonization was too fast.

So as Portugal, choosing Exploration as first NI, getting 1st colonist, without leveling Diplo tech AT ALL, the only settler increase i'll get will be from the colonist himself?

Wizzington · May 21, 2014

migalhone said:
So as Portugal, choosing Exploration as first NI, getting 1st colonist, without leveling Diplo tech AT ALL, the only settler increase i'll get will be from the colonist himself?

It's +25 at tech 3, so you'll get some, just less than before.

migalhone · May 21, 2014

Wiz said:
It's +25 at tech 3, so you'll get some, just less than before.

Ok then, thanks.

Atlanteax · May 21, 2014

Wiz said:
It's +25 at tech 3, so you'll get some, just less than before.

Halved from original +50 base, iirc.

FearTheAmish · May 21, 2014

migalhone said:
So Diplo tech increases global settler increase? Hum now Muscowy can get expansion first, integrate Perm, level diplo tech and swarm over siberia in a similar way as they can in 1.5?

EDIT: A_Spec said that Expansion was changed to be a ADM tree instead of a DIP tree in order to help colonizers. I assume he's talking about historical colonizers such as Portugal, Spain, England and France. Why did they need help? Was this change induced so that they colonize faster? I fail to see why this is necessary.

I cant explain why it needed to be faster... But Multiplayer in general starts with a diplo idea and you don't even level diplo Tech until the tree is done (this means you are sometimes 8/4/8 in tech). With Colonizers you had to play a kinda back and forth between ideas and techs so that you can get your colonizer range/settler increase and such. With it being ADM tree means you can keep your DIP high and still move up the Idea tree decently quick.

migalhone · May 21, 2014

FearTheAmish said:
I cant explain why it needed to be faster... But Multiplayer in general starts with a diplo idea and you don't even level diplo Tech until the tree is done (this means you are sometimes 8/4/8 in tech). With Colonizers you had to play a kinda back and forth between ideas and techs so that you can get your colonizer range/settler increase and such. With it being ADM tree means you can keep your DIP high and still move up the Idea tree decently quick.

Well i don't play MP so i wouldn't know.

With it being ADM tree means you can keep your DIP high and still move up the Idea tree decently quick

Isn't Exploration better than Expansion, for traditional colonizers? (E.g. Portugal, Castile/Spain, France, England)

Thanks for the feedback.

brifbates · May 21, 2014

migalhone said:
Isn't Exploration better than Expansion, for traditional colonizers? (E.g. Portugal, Castile/Spain, France, England)

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes. The expansion change just screws over nations that can colonize without exploration-primarily Russia, China, Japan, and the Africans. It probably will effectively help the traditional colonizers by letting them take it as the second or third idea on top of exploration first. Be prepared to see even more ridiculous Iberian exploits...

FearTheAmish · May 21, 2014

migalhone said:
Well i don't play MP so i wouldn't know.

Isn't Exploration better than Expansion, for traditional colonizers? (E.g. Portugal, Castile/Spain, France, England)

Thanks for the feedback.

Man i totally went blank in the head read expansion brain converted to Exploration... Only thing that makes sense then is for, you to be able to do Exploration first then switch to expansion. Since it is ADM instead of DIP it will allow you to not tank DIP to hard i guess..