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By this he means a Gank where his side 3x-3.5x the Dutch-French Side had when the war was at its strongest.

Honestly Ming and Malaya getting involved is a bit ridiculous/strange. Not to mention the only person who really gained anything out of it was Denmark [Wiz], and Poland[Catalack] (Brandenburg and Rupin under his control, and Potsdam, Anhalt, Altmark, and Leipzig were released from Austria.) So Portugal, Byzantium, Ming, Malaya all put their troops through a meat grinder all for no gain to themselves.


So instead of talking about the French-Danish Menace, lets Discuss the Dansk-Swede-Byzies-Han-Porto "Death Star" Bloc.

The Western Powers won some important early successes but in the end the bad guys had these immense manpower reserves that they could just keep throwing at us. And when your enemy has bases all the way back in China and Siberia, that's pretty good strategic depth and it's hard to knock them out. Especially since there were no neutral powers to potentially threaten them, everyone was in on it.

But although the motives in many cases seemed very obscure, one can only take it as a compliment when the ENTIRE WORLD conspires for one's destruction.
 

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The desk of Rufu at the office.... totally wasn't me.

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At least I got this cutie to comfort me after getting a knife trusted so deeply into my back. :(

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[...]the only person who really gained anything out of it was Denmark [Wiz][...]
Office MP in a nutshell. :laugh:

Groogy, no matter what your hedgehog thinks, Hungary defending its allies from direct attack is in no way a breach of its proud neutrality. Let's not fight over Anatolian borders which were drawn up peacefully, now...
 

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While the eyes of the world were locked on the tragic carnage taking place in Europe (which briefly elevated Japan to the country with the second highest manpower pool after Portugal), brave Japanese pioneers colonized the lush tropical paradise of Hawaii. A sense of peace and tranquility settled over Asia and the Pacific.
 

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The Western Powers won some important early successes but in the end the bad guys had these immense manpower reserves that they could just keep throwing at us. And when your enemy has bases all the way back in China and Siberia, that's pretty good strategic depth and it's hard to knock them out. Especially since there were no neutral powers to potentially threaten them, everyone was in on it.

But although the motives in many cases seemed very obscure, one can only take it as a compliment when the ENTIRE WORLD conspires for one's destruction.

Manpower reserves, pfah. The Battle of Mecklenburg was what proved the superiority of Eastern arms over the decadent Western courts... our manpower was just as depleted as yours after the minor setback at Trier.
 

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Groogy, no matter what your hedgehog thinks, Hungary defending its allies from direct attack is in no way a breach of its proud neutrality. Let's not fight over Anatolian borders which were drawn up peacefully, now...

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And even if you were neutral....

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Was a pretty fun war though.
If anyone could have handled a big world-alliance as we had it was you guys, you still made good resistance and even though we had most of our armies combined in a united front you pushed us back entirely and started sieging down denmark.
I'm all for even wars, and even though we probably had pretty good odds of winning this war I think the alternatives in this campaign would have mostly been 'point-who-is-gonna-die-next-round-eu4'.

I think smaller wars with less people involved is funnier, but it's hard to achieve that.. everyone just gets pulled in one way or another and suddenly you have world wars :)
 

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I think smaller wars with less people involved is funnier, but it's hard to achieve that.. everyone just gets pulled in one way or another and suddenly you have world wars :)

Leave Byzantium to Egypt then :D About the same size and the same economy. That was a fair fight, that he decided to not put up any resistance was another matter.


Edit: Ow yeah since the two largest Muslim nations won each a war against the orthodox faith. #getrektson, Muslim valor and discipline superior! Allahu Ackbar!
 

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that he decided to not put up any resistance was another matter.

It was not as much as not putting up a fight as it was not being able to cross over into your territory. As I didn't really have a fleet to counter yours with (my mistake, granted), in order to cross the strait. While Oman was protecting you from the other side and prevented me from just going around the Black Sea.
 

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Edit: Ow yeah since the two largest Muslim nations won each a war against the orthodox faith. #getrektson, Muslim valor and discipline superior! Allahu Ackbar!

I have no memory of Malaya fighting any orthodox lately?

No, but finally the long laid plans of Malaya is coming fruition! It was over 300 years ago that a ship, having sailed across half the world, was wrecked on the shores of lush paradise of Brunei. On it, sailors of strange white complexion told of a terrible betrayal, of great cowardice and weakness, as the all of the nations of Western Europe had decended on the proud Nation of Castille. Like jackals fearing the majestic strengh of a lion, they all banded together and fell upon him.
So their nation had been betrayed, butchered and destroyed. But all was not lost, they told the now mighty angry and righteous men of Brunei, because their western neighbour, the honest and mercantile Portugese, had managed to get away, to a new continent, a Western Paradise almost as lush as the islands the Malayans called home. Now, they were sailing the world offering weapons and knowledge to anyone who could help them take vengence, vengence on countries who's names can only be whispered, as not to poison the speaker with their bile and corruption. The names were Aragon, France and England, names of liars and scoundrels, of adders and spiders.

Now, three centuries later, the mighty Malayan Empire, Defender of the Sunni faith, Watchers of the East and South, Gatekeepers to the West, the Prophets favourite Sons, inheritors of Brunei and Castille, The Southern of the Two Kings of Asia, Protecter of All the Nations and the Bringer of the Great Justice has set the great plan in motion!
Asia is at long last secure, no-one questioning the Ming-Malayan axis and so we can look Westwards:
So betray your allies Netherlands, or your empire of sand will be washed away in the coming eastern tide.
So wipe that arrogance from your face, proud French, or your armies will be broken and scattered to the winds.
So thank your your God "Great" Britain that you are already to weak for a worthy man to fight.
So cry Spain, for in your future lies only hardship and ruin.
So quiver Europe, as the Two Eastern Brothers will fall upon you with great revenge!
 

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I have no memory of Malaya fighting any orthodox lately?

No, but finally the long laid plans of Malaya is coming fruition! It was over 300 years ago that a ship, having sailed across half the world, was wrecked on the shores of lush paradise of Brunei. On it, sailors of strange white complexion told of a terrible betrayal, of great cowardice and weakness, as the all of the nations of Western Europe had decended on the proud Nation of Castille. Like jackals fearing the majestic strengh of a lion, they all banded together and fell upon him.
So their nation had been betrayed, butchered and destroyed. But all was not lost, they told the now mighty angry and righteous men of Brunei, because their western neighbour, the honest and mercantile Portugese, had managed to get away, to a new continent, a Western Paradise almost as lush as the islands the Malayans called home. Now, they were sailing the world offering weapons and knowledge to anyone who could help them take vengence, vengence on countries who's names can only be whispered, as not to poison the speaker with their bile and corruption. The names were Aragon, France and England, names of liars and scoundrels, of adders and spiders.

Now, three centuries later, the mighty Malayan Empire, Defender of the Sunni faith, Watchers of the East and South, Gatekeepers to the West, the Prophets favourite Sons, inheritors of Brunei and Castille, The Southern of the Two Kings of Asia, Protecter of All the Nations and the Bringer of the Great Justice has set the great plan in motion!
Asia is at long last secure, no-one questioning the Ming-Malayan axis and so we can look Westwards:
So betray your allies Netherlands, or your empire of sand will be washed away in the coming eastern tide.
So wipe that arrogance from your face, proud French, or your armies will be broken and scattered to the winds.
So thank your your God "Great" Britain that you are already to weak for a worthy man to fight.
So cry Spain, for in your future lies only hardship and ruin.
So quiver Europe, as the Two Eastern Brothers will fall upon you with great revenge!

Arrogant - moi? My superior and noble character knows no such inferior feelings such as those you speak of in your typical foreign ignorance.
 

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Not to mention the only person who really gained anything out of it was Denmark [Wiz], and Poland[Catalack] (Brandenburg and Rupin under his control, and Potsdam, Anhalt, Altmark, and Leipzig were released from Austria.) So Portugal, Byzantium, Ming, Malaya all put their troops through a meat grinder all for no gain to themselves.

I would like to present the following against the "no gain" accusation; (was it the ONLY way to gain this, possibly not, but that's neither here nor there)
View attachment 112421

Current Score
Netherlands 7381 (+6.42)
Portugal 7022 (+6.68)
France 6791 (+6.62)
Income
Portugal 392.45



View attachment 112834


Current Score
Portugal 9418 (+9.41)
France 8825 (+7.35)
Netherlands 8527 (+5.00)
Income
Portugal 592.25

(and yes, the gains are visible on the map, too :) )
 

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Territorial gains in peace isn't the only thing you an offer a potential ally to make them support you... let's just say I have a few bargains to fulfill (and some already fulfilled).
 

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you owe someone beers don't you?

I owe one to the Netherlands for us being allies before I was forced into becoming his enemy due to his unquestioning support of unchecked French aggression.

In Swedish we call it 'tröstöl'.
 

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I owe one to the Netherlands for us being allies before I was forced into becoming his enemy due to his unquestioning support of unchecked French aggression.

In Swedish we call it 'tröstöl'.

Well, you did start it by planning the partitioning of France. Don't try to look like a damned angel here :D
 

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Well, you did start it by planning the partitioning of France. Don't try to look like a damned angel here :D

Well, you know what they say about the tree of liberty and the blood of tyrants...